News and theories about the missing Malaysian plane

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...... I know a tanker full of petrol might be worth millions, so tracking them must be an issue. i am amazed no one has stolen one that i know of. ......


"Cape Town - Trucking companies have lost up to R350m in stolen fuel to a blue light syndicate operating between Durban and Gauteng, Conrad van der Merwe, regional director Gauteng of Justicia Investigations, disclosed on Monday.

Most of these sophisticated tanker hijackings took place within 150km of Johannesburg. Vehicles were carrying petrol, diesel and paraffin."


http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Petrol-truck-hijackings-likely-to-rise-20131014
 
Transport safety chief says next phase of underwater search months away | CNN
The underwater search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane will effectively be put on hold this week, and may not resume until August at the very earliest, according to Australia's top transport safety official.

The new timeline means that once Bluefin-21, the American underwater drone operated by a team on board the Australian Defense Vessel Ocean Shield, wraps up its work in a couple of days, it will be up to two months, if not longer, until new underwater vehicles are contracted and deployed in the hunt for MH370...

Officials have publicly said they would prefer the next phase of the underwater search, which could take up to a year, to be led by a single private contractor who will operate several underwater assets in the search zone...
 
The search area is in international waters, I don't see why the Australian taxpayer should be footing the bill for it. And the bill will be huge.
 
Satellite data released after long wait | CNN
Data from communications between satellites and missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was released Tuesday, more than two months after relatives of passengers say they requested that it be made public.

But criticism quickly emerged suggesting that the information provided lacks important elements that would help outside experts put the official version of events to the test...

When asked why Inmarsat released raw data communication logs from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but not the model Inmarsat used with the data to estimate the plane's location, Inmarsat CEO Rupert Pearce said Tuesday that the decision lies with the Malaysian government. "We'd be perfectly happy to put that model out," Pearce told CNN's "New Day."...
 
I know it's not very 'Efficient', but read the whole article. ;)

What did I miss ? I can't see any breakdown of who is paying what, but given that the Fed Govt here has recently drastically slashed spending on all sorts of things, their offering a blank cheque on this is a sharp contrast, especially since this isn't a rescue operation, and no lives can be saved.
 
We do thank the good people of Australia for the public service they have provided to the world. The US has also supplied equipment and expertise. I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing also contributed.
Australia has estimated that the next phase of the underwater search will cost some $60 million. The breakdown of who pays for what still hasn't been made public, but Malaysia and China are both expected to make significant contributions.
 
Not wanting to seem like "Mr Mean" here, but the uproar over the budgetary austerity down here is reading off the scale, yet the PM is saying "what ever it takes" to find a plane that may not even be there, and realistically Australia has no more stake in than any random country. Doubly strange since Malaysia never misses a chance to stick it to the old Aussies !

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...robust-history-of-rancor-and-barbed-comments/
 
It seems resonable that the parties that owned and operated the plane plus the countries that are the most represented by passenger count share the costs. Australians only number 6 . . .
 
Not wanting to seem like "Mr Mean" here, but the uproar over the budgetary austerity down here is reading off the scale, yet the PM is saying "what ever it takes" to find a plane that may not even be there, and realistically Australia has no more stake in than any random country.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...robust-history-of-rancor-and-barbed-comments/

First, as a Kiwi, i should say something ‘smart’ about Aussies paying for things, but i wont. Good on yer mate!

i have not been directly involved in this search, but in the ones i have; the initial search was conducted by the country who regard themselves as the ‘keeper’ of that section of the earths surface. In this case, Australia made a good choice, they really don't want China or India swanning around down there, they may want to stay.

Australia will ‘lead’ such a search, but use resources as needed. Sometimes a country will choose to regard it as a military training exercise, and sometimes, as here, will farm it out to suitable contractors.

As its usually a cost+ basis, and not a contract as such, the contractor might ask for monthly payments, but though possible, are rare.

Finally the job is done, plane found, or declared missing, and the bill is toted up. Technically, the Malaysian airline is responsible here, though the Malaysian government owns the airline, so they are finally responsible. They do pay the bill, though in many case, bills like this are rounded up into national debt, and finally become part of the IMF or World Bank settlement. Typically the contractor carries the cost burden until the job is finished, and then for a few years after that while the various parties (IMF etc) ‘discuss’ it, but eventually they are paid. Classically this takes a long time, so these companies need deep pockets to start with. These ‘companies’ are often consortiums, formed to do this particular job, share the cost burden, and grab individual experts as needed. These 'experts', like me, usually get expenses, but must wait for the end to get 'their' money as well. They roll the cost of money into their charges too, but it still takes years. The good companies (consortiums) have first class equipment, ships, and personnel, but there are, or were, a few seriously underfunded ‘shoestring’ operations out there. Normally Australia would only have to bear administrative costs immediately, but even that is eventually reimbursed.

Typically, the Americans, Boeing, and Universities are very generous, lending equipment and personnel at little or no charge. It gives them an opportunity to test new equipment, and techniques. The bill itself is subject to close scrutiny, so inventing and building new equipment is rarely sanctioned, but development of new equipment and techniques is always a possibility. Acoustic Inferomity being one such for underwater search.

Australia, or other selected host nations, might get access to the latest American and/or British SAR equipment, early, or at all. In this case P-8’s, or some surface assets early? I'm surprised we haven't heard more about MAD detection, perhaps its too deep, or there is too much metal in the sea bed.
 
Nuffink there, they say now, so far the search has cost about $10 million per false ping !
 
MH370 search runs cold in area where ‘pings’ were heard | WASHINGTON POST
...“The search in the vicinity of the acoustic detections can now be considered complete,” Australia’s Joint Agency Coordination Centre said in a release. In the judgment of investigators, “the area can now be discounted as the final resting place of MH370…”

Michael Dean, the U.S. Navy’s deputy director of ocean engineering, told CNN that authorities now believe the pings came from a source unrelated to the Boeing-777. But the Australian government on Thursday did not specifically rule out the pings…
 
Australian PM Tony Abbott opened his mouth too soon in all -but claiming it had been found a few weeks ago, you'd just hate to think his seeming eagerness to spend any amount of money to find it is influenced by a desire to be proven right after all. They've allotted something like another $60 million to hire private companies to continue the search from August, putting that amount of dosh on a long-shot imo, won't sit well with the public being told to tighten the belt.
 
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Mr Efficiency,

You are right, very tactless of your PM. Even if he expects to be reimbursed at some time, not a very encouraging thing to say.
 
Despite there being distressed relatives of the lost, MH370 is not a soap opera. There is natural closure at this point 'Sorry folks, we did our best but we can't explain what happened nor find it'. Just my opinion.
 
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