Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

[masalai]

Boston the first Hour (56.03 minutes OA - 16MB in MP3 audio), minute 12.5 to minute 15.6 (decimal minutes) on the S&P may be of interest to you...

Minute 20 is on Ben B & bank bailouts... "Cap & Tax" has moved Oil refineries offshore and close down many existing plants inside USA to avoid the taxes... and medical insurance issues...

 

[mark775]

Gold standard, I guess. Work with the people in South America more to insure their education/prosperity. Kick the *** of any two-bit thug dictator/king-for-life (of the year) mirrored glasses piece of **** down there. Overwhelm Cuba with prosperity. Hire Ridgeway to run the Korea campaign instead of the "I will return" ***-hole (maybe given him an island to wear his F'ed-up aviators on). Finished Viet-Nam. Made Europe pull more of its own weight in the cold war by stepping back. Told the Arabs; "We'll get rid of that nasty black stuff bespoiling your sand - for a fee.", and given them enough swords and fast horses that they would smile for centuries. Seriously again, not given Saddam a chance to get his WMDs into Syria or not gone in at all. Told Iran, "quit F'ing up our job or we'll glaze you". Had a spine in regards to Georgia. Have borders. Continue to kick *** on space exploration. Render ICBMs of everyone but NATO obsolete, then get rid of our own. When fighting wars, make it hurt (smart bombs are too smart). Don't hire Carter to be a Traitor-in Chief and constantly abet Hamas, et.al., and help depose the Shah in order for the Ayatollahs to take over and totally F us. Seriously, I would put Carter against the wall.
Only save GB's *** on the condition that Chamberlain not ever hold public office. Emulate Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Benjamin Netanyahu, Ronald Reagan. Pay attention to history and notice that Socialism has never suceeded and base my strategy upon that. Stop, listen, and act upon the words of Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. Increase M1 just enough to keep up with growth and not try to manipulate growth, not try to "manage" an economy. Bear in mind that corporate taxation discourages investment and drives it elsewhere, is, in effect, double taxation, is recouped by the end user price anyway so is a deceiptful tax. Make it such a business friendly environment that businesses can afford to take care of the environment and force them to through taxation (fines).
Not try to blame a woman getting ***** and strangled with her panty-hose on society and rehabilitate the rapist. Not try to engineer societal mores to fit into some Utopian ideal - recognize that there are bad people. Never start sex-education as, as hind-sight has shown, the more we teach, the more we F. The more we F, the more disease, teen pregnancy, single parent families to beget yet more low-lifes. Term limits so we never hear the name "Kennedy" again (end the reign of the annointed). Fire college professors who re-define their job discription from "teacher" to "instigator of social change" because it's easier, gets them more co-eds, and inflates their perceived value. Teach kids to hunt, fish and respect nature. Sloppy shots that wound animals would be made criminal. Forget to invent video games, re-define "fast-food" as something you have to chase. End Welfare completely. End all social programs at the Federal level. Make graffitti, litter, and vandalism punishable by one year of forced manual labor, then ten for the second offence. Kill really bad people, work kinda bad people - nobody sits and watches TV or forms gangs in jail. Students that don't keep up in public school class leave class. Students who bully, leave class. Because wherever a government builds a road, it is filled, build roads as required for defence and no more. It will slow growth. Fair tax. No IRS. Treat our returning soldiers like royalty. Remind justices that their job is to interpret the Constitution, not empathize and force social change to jibe with foreign ideals. Don't forget our friends the Israelis. Don't spend time trying to educate the unwilling (and the obviously inebriated) on the internet. Go to sleep with plans to get up in six hours and see if what is just written is apropos...

 

[masalai]

Aaaaargh Mark, you went and done spoiled your new found reputation, but PERFECT drivel 2 - would make Frosty's day as he would need the whole day to read it and discover he did not understand anything because there were no pictures....

 

[Frosty]

Bear in mind that corporate taxation discourages investment


Make it such a business friendly environment that businesses can afford to take care of the environment and force them to through taxation. [ QUOTE]

Hmmm a bit contradictory but well done at least you vent your spleen.

The first paragraph was crap but the second was better. Im not a man for words but I think your mean let people be aware of consequences and be responsible for their actions.

Yeah Ille go along with that

 

[masalai]

Ahhhhhhhh so the man (Frosty) can read, and assimilate, if the challenge is put in a manner he cannot refuse and your drivel outside of drivel2 is starting to seem intelligent - at least the standard inside drivel2 is becoming recognisable sometimes as having some potential?

I can't sleep, the pale-green pills are not working - and I cannot remember what they are for anyway, so to make Frosty feel better I will have another beer - having stocked up with lots as I saw it was on special, less than half the price of water and just a little bit less than coke... - That good Australian beer for people who are too drunk to read or spell "XXXX"...

Now I have lost the plot, I feel all calm and at peace, couldn't give a **** who declares insolvency next week when H2 starts and more ******** is published than there is paper to wipe it away.... Sleep tight and don't let the bugs bite (an old Indian saying)... There is another one (saying) but I forgot what it was... Oh yes - always travel POSH (Port Out Starboard Home) - remember that Frosty, as that is your instructions for travel between Home (Blighty) and the East....

 

[Frosty]

I been watching the History channel and all about the 1929 Wall st crash and how similar it is to todays errrm difficulty.

Did you know that the European war was what finally brought the Us out of the depression. They actually said that a war is profitable if its not on your territory.

The Americans would not deliver the order of bombs n stuff because the Uk had given the US all of its gold and everything it had. It was the Canadians that paid the bill in the end. Strange isnt it that the Americans then claim that they saved us. They are our best friends.

 

[mark775]

It is a great source of embarrassment that we waited so long to dive into WWll. Sometimes we tend to think too much rather than react.
Like right now, for example. Our government has been telling the people of Iran for decades, "You let us know and we'll be there". Now they have done everything to "let us know", in fact are dying to let us know, and our commander-in-chief is "monitoring the situation".
You're right, America didn't save the world - it was Larry, Darryl, and Darryl and the gang from Possum Lodge.
How about "The Hydrogen Project" episode where a large quantity of hydrogen is released during an attempt to turn Possum Lake into a huge car battery, negatively impacting the quality of local life...or should this be posted on the battery thread? The Canadians do have Red Green and um, curling.

 

[Boston]

in one of my economics class that subject came up
war having brought us out of the great depression
it did but the reason it did was because industry was not centralized
so everyone got a piece of the manufacturing pie
these days it doesnt work that way
all the money gets grafted on the way to the contract
the contract costs tons more than its actually worth to pay for all the graft and the few corporations who get contracts concentrate the profits to only a few top dogs

take Haliburton for example
among other no bid contracts they were awarded they got the food contract
apparently the contract guaranties profit as a percentage of expenditures so naturally they spend as much as they can while at the same time being required to only have so much waste per meal
the guys end up eating lobster and roast beef with caviar and seared Ahi
makes for a great meal but were does the money go
it used to go to all the folks who provided food for the military or to small factories to make rations out of it and there were hundreds of em that helped out
the money was spread out throughout the economy
not these days
now it all goes into Dick Cheney's pocket ( what a $%&*#@ rat ******* that guy is eh )

fuel is another one
haliburton again got a no bid contract to provide fuel to the military in Iraq it was another open ended contract
so our favorite ex vice presidents company charged the US gov roughly twice what the gov could have bought it for themselves

I think it came out to about ten billion in overcharges just on fuel alone and that only in a period of one year ( I think its been a while since I heard the lecture )
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1210-07.htm

point is
war used to spread money out and get people working
at least if your not the ones getting bombed and slaughtered
round here it definitely did stimulate the economy for the next say fifty years by the end of WW2 but things are completely different now and these days it only serves to bleed the economy and concentrate wealth in the hands of the corporate execs
remember
Rorge the idiot signed every single spending that came across his desk in the entirety of his first term
that was a first
while at the same time ignoring all the warnings about the housing market and
my personal fave
all the warnings about the Freddy and Fanny scam to loan money to those who basically could not afford to pay it back

war once upon a time was profitable and did serve to stimulate the wining sides economy
( as long as its not you or yours on the short end of the deal )
but not any more
Dick and Reorge made sure of that

 

[masalai]

Wow, everyone seems to be getting serious at last

Frosty there are similarities and differences, in the 30's America's citizens were full of a 'can-do' attitude, keen and eager for challenges, and with a diversified, vital industrial sector waiting to happen so people were able to claw their way out and up quickly, but now, one US commentator has suggested centralised industry is so corrupt and moribund with its own **** that it is virtually "dead man walking" or "zombies sleeping" - both have been thought of as being capable of a final spurt of activity before expiring... Any dynamic productivity has been "outsourced overseas" in the name of greater short term profits - all bad long term moves... and Humanity does not learn for all other known great empires followed exactly the same path to self extinction.... If you find a civilisation that has endured? - lean the secret of its success.... -

Australian Aboriginals seem to have been around for more than 40,000 years but western civilisation was their undoing, sadly their secrets and accumulated knowledge is mostly gone... Remoteness does not necessarily help - look at Easter Island... Feudal kingdoms are leadership institutions and then becomes one of despotic tyrants, for 2 more generations & do not last much longer, except N Korea? - last one now?

 

[Boston]

If you find a civilisation that has endured? - lean the secret of its success.... -

the two most notable would be the Indus Valley and the Nile cultures
both were based on tribal and sustainable farming techniques and primarily food stuffs or labor being considered currency as well as precious metals and coins by a centralized government
both went the way of the Dodo when they encountered Greco-Roman systems but survived until European influences gave rise to industrial pollutants
today the Indus Valley is one of the most polluted places in the undeveloped world and the Nile little better than a cesspool
the High Dam has recked the flooding mechanism that one flushed the wastes from the Niles banks and with the loss of sedimentary deposits left behind by those floods the natural fertilizer that always kept the Nile so productive have been replaced with chemical fertilizers pesticides and toxins

aren't we the smart ones

two perfectly functioning 6000+ year old systems and we make it a point to destroy them rather than take em as examples
not to mention the hundreds of smaller tribal systems that have survived thousands of years or had untill guess who came along

a guy named colonel Powel back in the mid to late 1800s was asked to do a water survey of the west by the US gov
he wrote back his findings and basically said the wests water resources are so sparse its not worth the effort to develop them
an excellent synopses of that report can be found in a book called "Cadillac desert"
so naturally the us gov ignores the report and builds boulder dam later called Hoover dam and names the largest body of developed water in the west after him
lake Powell
brilliant eh
gotta love white people

in the end what they find is that irigating the desert soils brings selenium up from the water line and renders the soil completely unable to support crops of any kind

they took water from naturally irrigated farm lands and shipped it to the desert
wrecked the land were it came from
to irigate land thats only going to be productive for what
fifty years
before the selenium comes up to a level were its no longer arable
then what are you going to farm
and better yet
whats not going to be so completely polluted by then that it can be farmed
including the oceans

yerp
better just stick to economics kids
cause the environment is way to depressing of a topic for what is supposed to be a boating forum

 

[mark775]

"...supposed to be a boating forum". I just click on new posts and almost everything I see is dog-pile on America. I've got an election to help win for Palin in 2112. I've got a family to support always. I'll have little time for you people and I suppose the likes of you would just as soon see the likes of me fade away anyway. Just don't think that because the only voices you hear are your own rattling around in your near-empty skulls, that Americans like me don't exist. Sorry, not dead yet. I intend to take back my country (I am part native, as well, Boston, but I don't mean take it back that far - say, like, 1981). I intend to see a supreme court full of Clarence Thomas's. I intend to see inner-city low-lifes get hungry enough to get a job. I intend to see our youth pull their pants up, turn their hats around and help that old lady with her groceries. I've got enough to see and do in this great country to listen to you Godless chapulins berate her, nor will I be spreading many tourist dollars your way. Carry on with your drivel - I've got work to do.

 

[Frosty]

I wish you well, I really do but your country hasnt fallen enough yet, especially for the low lifes to go get a job and youth to turn thier hat around straight.

Why would they do that? there is no jobs for illiterate youths and your unemplyoment is 10%. Those youths are tomorrows voters and tax payers.

Ha ha it just get worse doesnt it.

 

[masalai]

Unemployed is estimated to exceed 20% - do not believe such massaging of the truth from a corrupt bureaucracy...

Mark I do not think you can see the forest for the trees... May I suggest that you participate in "tea parties", learn the facts, motivate the community, do something, for Christs sake, if not your own, and those honest fellow countrymen... The evil is firmly established in places of power, and most of the politicians are just pawns in a bigger game... Stop 'wanking, and getting stupidly angry at people who are trying to wake you all up... Do some careful research and analyse why and what is going wrong... Keep a cool head... Read the 'alternative news sources' and analyse where there is a probability and make notes of everything to see, as if your opinion may need to be redirected....

A different politician will make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE, until they all work together to clean out the corruption...

For me it is embodied in the manipulation of the foreign exchange rates against the US$ by the FED and its associates, "big banking" - the same ones that got bailed out and some others...

Get angry with me will serve you no good, but my in-depth research can point you at some links that although they may seem now, to you, to be "rabid extremist commies" or some such arrogant poppycock, but, they have done the information gathering and have a more plausible set of numbers and implications as to what has and may happen...

I cannot vote in the USA elections, and if I had that right I WOULD ALWAYS VOTE and help others to go and vote, as well as gather petitions from other citizens to make sure my congressman was doing the right thing and voting for things that count not approval for ******** filibustering crap pork barreling **** that seems so rife in US politics.... Now **** off and do some reading learning and asking questions of your congress.....

 

[masrapido]

to the point and eloquently summarised...after all, no one is forcing anyone to read this, and every other usa-analysing thread. can't stand the heat? get off the ship.

it's, sadly, the type of people who do not really understand the reality of economics and politics on an international level, where the **** reaches the apex like it has today with the failed capitalist experiment made in usa, that vote for people like bush and palin. religious hypocrites and economic ignoramuses that pretend to know something and are the "righteous" creatures to "lead" the world.

and lead they do. into the abyss of wars, destruction and horrors. in the name of "better" life. and "democracy".

how is it that people actually believe this obviously "devil's" work is puzzling. with all the necessary information readilly available for all to see, they still prefer to believe the **** that 'devil' would be proud to have concocted up.

 

[masalai]

Right now it is 14:00 Monday, (in 14 hours we should have an idea of the first test - Q2 analysis of USA Business) and my belly is comfortable and I have a beer at my side as well as some marshmellows (pink & white) - the only flavour available.... so, it is with a mouthfull that I type

Masrapido, I see your analogy, I only hope the others can... and join constructively in analysis of the situation... The good citizens of USA can do something but as an outsider, I just have to wear it (potentially 21% down since Mar 19) but I will recover, will many in USA? - - The manipulation of exchange rates, by the USA FED, is indefensible, and a gross breach of trust the rest of the world has placed in the US$ by accepting the US$ as THE currency of international trade... If USA looses this, the USA will fall as a great Nation - - No ifs or buts, A certainty with NO HOPE of return... It is THAT serious... Time for verbal diarrhoea is over, action must be carefully planned and implemented without undue delay.... Usanians, time is short and running out...