TP52s

[Mark 42]

Here's a link to a quick summary of the Rules by Dave Perry: http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Articles/BS05/Rules.htm

Here's a link to an online Rules Quiz Game provided by the French Finn Class Association: http://www.finn-france.com/eng/game.html?MenuID=Racing%2F10159%2F0%2CRacing%5FRules%2F11564%2F0

Above all, I look to Rule #2:

Fair Sailing - A boat and her owner shall compete in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play...

 

[asathor]

Are the Macs Whale-Boats?

When they sail like that they look like a whale and the stick is pointed down like a harpoon. Maybe when the whales see it they will be confused, laugh themselves silly and when coming up for air impale themselves?

 

[JustSailing]

The boat is a trailerable waterballasted boat. No ballast = not self righting. From what I read, the operatior was not only severely drunk but overloaded the boat and forgot to add the ballast. In addition, the boat was still attached to another boat when the operator gunned the engine. This helped put the boat on its side (initially) though it did not sink. A sober operator would probably have rescued the children from the cabin without problems.

Tragic accident but does not mean that the boat has inherent design flaws. It is limited by its removable water ballast as are other small, trailerable water ballasted boats. Since there are about 6000 boats of this model and only one such accident statistically the boat is safe.

Unfortunately all boats have the inherent capability of quickly hurting or even killing people when misshandled. Keels drop, rigs come down, collisions, boom accidents etc.

Re: post 953.
Boating under the influence should not be enough to flip a 26-foot sailboat. I smell a design flaw.
We had one like this in Okanagan a few months ago. A houseboat of about 30something feet LOA as I recall. Rated for 35 people I think, were 65 or so on board. All up top. The driver (clearly not competent enough to call him skipper or captain) was told by several boaters that he was overloaded; he ignored them, the boat capsized. One death as i recall. Bottom line: Be smart, know what your craft can and can't do.

 

[mighetto]

Twilight of the god boats

The boat is a trailerable waterballasted boat. No ballast = not self righting. From what I read, the operatior was not only severely drunk but overloaded the boat and forgot to add the ballast. In addition, the boat was still attached to another boat when the operator gunned the engine. This helped put the boat on its side (initially) though it did not sink. A sober operator would probably have rescued the children from the cabin without problems.

Tragic accident but does not mean that the boat has inherent design flaws. It is limited by its removable water ballast as are other small, trailerable water ballasted boats. Since there are about 6000 boats of this model and only one such accident statistically the boat is safe.

Unfortunately all boats have the inherent capability of quickly hurting or even killing people when misshandled. Keels drop, rigs come down, collisions, boom accidents etc.

A Mac26x defender? My oh my - it really is the twilight of the big boats. The MaC26x recieved an endorsement during the trial by an NA out of Michigan named Taylor. Jim Teeters and his principles were just devistated that day. His purpose in dragging the good name of US Sailing into this was clearly to support the big fixed fin boats of which the TP52s represent the climax. Tripp Gal, his vassel (now look I am getting whimsical here so no getting panties in a bunch) any way Tripp Gal's proclivity for yanking the balls off of any who disagree with Jim Tetters and then placing those on the ends of fixed foiled big boats where the balls will waggle to and fro and where the sun don't shine are over. The sea hag has hastened not forstalled progress. I just hope she fails in selling her obosolete Tripp 47 to one of the crew under her spell. It is still a buyers beware world. Oh the other scam is of course to lease. Unfortunately these boats have become pure samarai. Useless to society they are now wards of any club that is not smart enough to call them show boats and treat them that way.

 

[mighetto]

Costa Mesa Clan

There you are!! Proof that the m26x is an ocean racing boat!!!! So when are they going to lower the mac's rating to 15?

Now now Scott. You know that the manufacturer endorses the Max26x and Mac26m for heavy weather racing and that both boats are ocean sailboats. You likely are also aware of the 130 rating that I was threatened with last year. Jim Teeters evil is embedded in the software PHRF-NW uses to rate designs. Only fix finned vessels have hope of fair rating through that software IMO and of course the closer the vessel is in design to a TP52 the better the rating. This is why I have always viewed the TP52's as the owner of Braveheart has - PHRF buoy racers. These Mac26x boats are Costa Mesa built boats. That means a lot more than a buoy boat.

In 1973 there were 46 boatbuilders in Costa Mesa California and 24,000 boats were produced. A year later that number shrank to 22. Today there are less than a handfull. Nonetheless Costa Mesa California remains a Meca for boat owners, a sacrid historical place to any who ever owned or dreamed of owning an ocean going sailboat.

Westsail, Islander, Flicka, Crealock, Dana, Columbia & Lancer, Cal 20 and Cal 40 and Erickson all have historical ties to the city. And if you consider colaborative efforts, the list is even larger.

Costa Mesa is in Orange County and there were close to 100 boat builders in Orange County in the mid 1970s. Hence those who have or had interest in Santana, Schocks, I-14s, Sabots and Thistles, Penguins, el Toros and Lidos, which were all produced in the county, should be interested in Costa Mesa.

Designs from Bill Lee, George Cuthbertson & George Cassian, Bruce Farr, C. William Lapworth, and Shad Turner were built in the Costa Mesa community.

Today, builders such as Dick Valdes and Maury Threien, who founded Columbia Yachts, have long gone and the Meca today is threatened by redevelopment. Jenson Marine and MacGregor Yachts remain.

Yet there is hardly a serious sailor that doesn't know about Alamitos Bay - thirty miles from Meca, where some of the 1,960 Cal 20s are raced. Or about surf city, Marina Del Ray, where Coast Mesa clan boats are prevailent and ready to take their owners to Catalina Island and beyond.

Most sailors are aware of the Costa Mesa built Cal 40s that just completed the 100 year aniversity Transpac, a race to Hawaii that has been run regularly since 1906. But, few know that Genuine Risk (a canting keel maxi), Pyewacket (a waterbalasted maxi), Beau Gest (a TP52) and Magnitude 80, three of arguably the fastest monohulls on the water, are unable to break the record of the Costa Mesa built Joss, a 65 footer. Costa Mesa has claim to one of the oldest unbroken records in ocean racing, the Marina del Rey to Puerto Vallarta race which is run alternate years from the TransPac. May city officials develop that claim or at least preserve the history of it and the importance of this city for boat building somewhere within the shopping centers now planned. Joss is a Macgregor 65. Did not the sea hag teach you these things. Her training is worthless and this is but one example.

Meca - home of the church of FOYD. Huzzah Huzzah - let fly. I am especially interested in other Costa Mesa builds. Please comment if you know of them.

 

[usa2]

It was light wind for most of the TransPac. Pyewacket is a canting keel maxi. You are an idiot.

 

[TP 52 Defender]

"the manufacturer endorses the Max26x and Mac26m for heavy weather racing"

Please cite this "fact" ...

 

[mighetto]

"the manufacturer endorses the Max26x and Mac26m for heavy weather racing"

Please cite this "fact" ...

Just when I was starting to think you were one of the brain dead under the Sea Hag,’s spell (that’s Sudie Parker - we do names here now) AKA Tripp Gal, minion of Teeter’s, disparager of the best design out of the US in decades, PHRF Rater abomination, you come up with a legitimate question. Folks there is an IRC movement now. It is time to get use to that fact, stick the eyeball back in the socket and see! Huzah Hazah.

A side note. An eyeball is considered the equivalent of a ******** in Norse mythology. Betting money and your left nut is the equivalent of betting money and your left eye. Doesn’t matter if you are male or female. Does the gal have any balls to bet now?

Both the X and M brochures endorse the vessels for heavy weather racing The X brochure states:

Here are your sailing choices: (1) With the water ballast tank full and conservative sails, the 26 is an extremely stable sailboat, ideal for a beginner. (2) With the big genoa jib or spinnaker, it is a conventional self righting sailboat with outstanding sailing speed. (3) Without water ballast, it is one of the wildest and potentially fastest sailboats around. Under power (1) without water ballast, it is a rather fast conventional cabin cruiser, or (2) with the water ballast, a docile, heavily ballasted power boat. ... Quick, stable and responsive, the revolutionary MacGregor 26 is the fastest and best handling of any of the trailerable cruising sailboats.

http://www.always-online.com/hardtlefamily/KnotShoreDefault.htm has the video and brochure. The quote above

This is followed on the next page with

If you want a thrill, few sports can equal heavy weather sailboat racing. I restore your eyball if you want it. Print the following and See damn it Sea!

http://www.always-online.com/hardtlefamily/KnotShorePics/m26x_11.jpg

Hey if you want me to take me seriously we can make a lot of progress. These really are great times to be a designer or boat builder.

 

[mighetto]

It was light wind for most of the TransPac. Pyewacket is a canting keel maxi. You are an idiot.

Pywacket is the name of my sister's cat. I don't know where you are going with this. There are several Pyewackets over several years, one with water ballast. It is pretty clear that combinations of canting keel and water ballast will be popular. I am still not convinced that canters represent the fastest monohulls. They likely do provide lift when canted even though the keels do not provide lateral resistance

"He is the best sailor who can steer within the fewest points of the wind, and exact a motive power out of the greatest obstacles

The above is pure Tripp Gal.

What the heck does that mean? Motive Power? Just a sample of the Bravo Sierra one gets from the hag.

Is it a spell she casts with these words? If she wants to have a private life she needs to stop posting and writing articles. If she is running for office, as I am, then let her engage here. The woman has at least one eye ball left. Has she given up on the big fixed fin foil boats as well? :?:

Here is an alarming thought now being vocalized by big boat racers. Replace the flying sails with roller furlers and race in cruising class, jack and jills and single handed races. Tripp Gal did that at Vashon. Well her "boys" did. What sailor with his balls allows a gal to call him a boy? Come out come out Tripp Guy. You little boy (not even a man). Lets revive this saying.

The best race boat design is the one that falls apart the day after her race days are over. Moving a Tripp 47 into double handed and jack and jill races doesn't seam reasonable - meaning it sounds unsafe for the other competitors - and argh - do I have to be hunted in those races as well You should get a second smaller boat for that in anycase.

Frank L. Mighetto
Write in Candidate
Any board posistion at US Sailing or SSSS
No joke

 

[Shife]

08-21-2005, 04:46 PM
Roger MacGregor Roger MacGregor is offline
Junior Member : Location: Costa Mesa, CA

Join Date: Aug 2005
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You, Frank, are an embarrassment to the MacGregor 26x owners community. I'm ashamed to see a delusional neophyte such as yourself misrepresenting our fine product.


What do you have to say about that Frankie? Even your idol has told you to STFU. Or are you going to say that this is yet another conspiracy designed to shut down your "revolutionary" ideas about sailing?

 

[stevel]

As much as I'd like to believe it...

I'm pretty sure that was not the person who he claimed to be. A businessman with a livelyhood to protect (and probably plenty of legal advice) would have addressed the public with a request to ignore Frank's rants. The businessman may be inclined to make a polite request that Frank knock it off, but that would have most likely already have been done privately, so it would be pointless. The post by MacGregor was a gag (and a good one too!)

 

[usa2]

why dont we have someone contact Mr. MacGregor than and tell him to tell frank to zip it? or be sued

 

[Jim Hauser]

Migghie old boy, you just keep pushing the limits of people's generosity. The Hensen's told you to leave them alone, you should have enough sense to do that. She isn't running for any office, she's a active volunteer in the sailing world.

• She's a free-lance journalist who's earning a solid reputation as an event writer. Somehow I doubt she gets paid big money to write for SA or 48 or any of the other publications.
• She's a coordinator for the big boat championship, and donates webspace and time for the big boat organization
• They run a no-charge sailing program for people who want race and sail experience
• She's on the list of speakers at Sail Fest this September, it wouldn't hurt to go listen and learn something from her
• She's a club handicapper, and in process to be a IRC measurer.
• She's race manager for the women's sailing in Seattle
• They volunteer for Footloose Disabled sailing
• They are generous supporters of the OSF
• They are buying - bought? a star for the SSSS Star program for their crew to use and race

What's not to like about these kids? It's pretty clear they love sailing.
What have you done other than post on the internet? Nothing.

It's clear you got shut down at work, you haven't posted during work hours since the big dog spoke. Apparently his inquiries resulted in limits to your access. Go ahead and fool yourself into thinking you are half again as smart as them, I'm eagerly watching the outcome of this round. You are a joke and like all jokes the time has come for you to fade away.

 

[DGreenwood]

Uh-Oh Frankie! It looks like your number ten ended up in your mouth again. You seem to have a real apetite for your own hooves?
So, along with arrogant, ill informed, stupid, and gifted with poor taste, we can add vicious.
God I would love to meet you ...I think you might qualify as the biggest knob I have ever encountered.

 

[mighetto]

Migghie old boy, you just keep pushing the limits of people's generosity. The Hensen's told you to leave them alone, you should have enough sense to do that. She isn't running for any office, she's a active volunteer in the sailing world.

Did you just out Tripp Guy :?: You know I can’t know everything. Why do you do this. :?: Let the Little Man speak. I do not intend to let bully’s attach the good members of SSSS and owners of Macgregor Yachts – which has happened when I go silent. Let me be the lightening Rodd. I am willing to deal with it. The sport advances owing to this. Sudie Parker and I suppose this Little Man Hansen are in the way of the sport. They will get out of the way eventually. So will all the big boat advocates.

Seriously what is a boat over 40 foot doing in a single hand double hand race flying spinnakers. They are scary and scarying off those who might race otherwise. Lets see this from the motivation of some one being told – well I might be interested if the boat could be single handed. That is what propects are being told by reputable advisors these days. It really is the twilight of the big boats. They just are not valuable in the new age of sailing on any level once over their prime as the Hag boat is over

a solid reputation a
[*]She's a free-lance journalist who's earnings an event writer. Somehow I doubt she gets paid big money to write for SA or 48 or any of the other publications.

Oh boy. What a fantasy. Let me tell you how to interpret that. Are you certain she isn’t a tax fraud writing off expenses and claiming all costs for racing are deductible? Anyway, she isn’t a good writer. Engineers generally are not. I doubt she has any training in that field. See what comes out of Team Kiss Me Arse .

[*]She's a coordinator for the big boat championship, and donates webspace and time for the big boat organization

So she is a software engineer. Probably formally of Microsoft, a company that all agree is great by the fact that they have stayed OUT of SAILING. But lets note that big boat organizations can take care of themselves they have no business whatsoever mucking up PHRF and US Sailing. US Sailing reorganized specifically to get the Jim Teeter supporters out. Do you disagree. :?: See this and see why we have a legitimate business in disagreeing with Sudie Parker and moving her out of the way. Hopefully she will move on her own.

[*]They run a no-charge sailing program for people who want race and sail experience

Where they teach nonsense and hate of Macgregors and likely write off expenses on taxes. Oh how I smell a tax cheat. These are the kind who would take donations and use them to purchase a new main sail that they will put up until God takes it down. I blame bad parenting for their kind. They are raised to think the way they do. Sad really. I do the novices a kindness by blowing the smoke away from the ugliness they are.

[*]She's on the list of speakers at Sail Fest this September, it wouldn't hurt to go listen and learn something from her

I invite her to teach me here. We are reasonable adults. Lets see her writing and teaching skills here. Heck I would listen to her at an SSSS meeting. It would be a hoot. We could play a drinking game. Everyone in the audience could swag one when she said something known to be false. We will be ROTFLOAO.

[*]She's a club handicapper, and in process to be a IRC measurer.

I hope you are correct on the IRC part. She redeems herself by that action. But Microsoft teaches to extend, embrace and extinguish. Lets see her make a presentation at SSSS on IRC. We pay speakers. Hell I will even pay her to measure Murrelet but not until her vessel is so rated. She specifically told Barry that she wasn’t getting the Trip 47 IRC rated. You should confront her on that directly.

[*]She's race manager for the women's sailing in Seattle

Playing that womans card hard isn’t she.

[*]They volunteer for Footloose Disabled sailing

Most of Microsoft’s donations are in the form of product. Are you certain you and I as tax payers are not doing the donating when Tripp Guy and Gal volunteer? I have seen to much of this donating for tax write off gunk. Do not be nieve. Let her tell us publically that they have not written off boat related expenses through their volunteer efforts. It just is not the nature of their kind.

[*]They are generous supporters of the OSF

Explaining fully what I had suspected involving Dan Decker. How heavy the armor must have been while Dan was forced to do evil on SSSS to support OSF. Well SSSS will still kick butt on Sudie Parker. Dan remains the man.

[*]They are buying - bought? a star for the SSSS Star program for their crew to use and race

The Star is the upgrade for those that are US Sailing trained. Seriously, this is the path of unlearning that will take the incompetent and move them towards the competency that is natural in the untrained. Of course this connects Steve W with Sudie Parker. No new news there.

[/list]
What's not to like about these kids? It's pretty clear they love sailing.

They also love threatening the State of Washington, SSSS members who disagree with them, BB operators, and legitimate board members of sailing clubs. They are those we are rejecting from US Sailing.

What have you done other than post on the internet? Nothing.

My sailing career is just starting. I have a long boating career. But my domain is more the Internet. It pains me to see how Internet Bully’s operate. I will not tolerate it. Have not tolerated it and if you do you research you will find out that I am good at exposing it.

It's clear you got shut down at work, you haven't posted during work hours since the big dog spoke. Apparently his inquiries resulted in limits to your access. Go ahead and fool yourself into thinking you are half again as smart as them, I'm eagerly watching the outcome of this round. You are a joke and like all jokes the time has come for you to fade away.

Nothing is clear. My posts have been hacked. No professional will testify in court that the time of posts are accurate. Remember how many of our posts have been stuck on 52. The good folks who were threatened with legal action by Sudie Parker should be left alone. That action was so outside of good sportsmanship and diminished all sailors so much. It was an ORily trick. The trick of a lubber. It back fired. Do you think otherwise