TP52s

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  1. usa2
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    usa2 Senior Member

    Aifos is the only one owned by the Spanish Navy. H.M. Juan Carlos skippers Bribon, but apparently isnt the owner. The other 3 (not counting the one being built) are privately owned and/or sponsored by someone.
     
  2. SailDesign
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    SailDesign Old Phart! Stay upwind..

    usa2 - Atalanti is Greek. :)
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  3. TP 52 Defender
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    TP 52 Defender Actual Sailor

    "The TP52 fleet will be desimated by mods for IRC."

    Just raced over the weekend with a local PHRF handicapper and IRC measurer and a TP 52 owner on a Mumm. After the race we all talked about the TP 52 and how well it rates under IRC. No mods necessary - the TP 52 rate better under IRC than they do under PHRF (and needless to say under the old IMS). However let us remember that the TP 52's prefer to race in class and only do Handicap when not enough boats want to do a specific event.

    "H.M. Juan Carlos skippers Bribon" and one of his friends owns her (same way it has always been on the Bribon program).

    Frank smaller yachts can be safer and they also can be more dangerous - it all depends on the boat and the body of water it is used on. While your pocket motor sailor may be able to make for a greater number of ports it is far less safe on an open ocean than the TP 52 which is designed, crewed, and provisioned to race in the nasty stuff. This does not make one vessel superior to the other it just means that they where designed for very different uses.

    Mac 26 - Pocket motor cruiser
    Pros - Small, trailer able, limited but fair accommodations, large motor, shallow draft, easy to sail (at
    100% of potential).
    Cons - Limited sailing power (trade off), light displacement (even with water ballast in) means
    excessive leeway, potentially dangerous with out water ballast in place.

    Sail Rating = 3 average for hybrid
    Motor Rating = 6+ above average for a sail boat (Mid powerboat range)

    TP 52 - Grand Prix racing yacht
    Pros - Light weight, carbon construction, high performance, simple design, tight class racing, faster than
    70 + ft racing yachts. Class controlled internally (not designer, builder, or sail maker controlled) designed
    for both buoys and offshore distance races.
    Cons - No second life potential as a cruiser race (in all fairness it was never designed to cruise).
    Expensive and complicated to campaign (but no more so than any other GP boat). Not easy to sail to full
    potential - profesional top sailors required.

    Sail Rating = 9+ top end racing yacht
    Motor Rating = 5 average for a racing yacht (7.5 kts under power)
     
  4. usa2
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    usa2 Senior Member

    i was thinking about this and i think that if you filled both boats with water and/or inverted them, then the safety level would finally come even. But while they are upright and above water then a TP52 is more stable and safer.
     
  5. mackid068
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    Frank, I wrote a little poem for you. I hope you like it.


    A faint summer breeze,
    motor quiet, sails fill out;
    sunshine warms the keel.

    Funny, but a poem about the MacGregor is more like this:

    A dinghy sailor sees
    Coming into view
    A monstrous sight
    A masted boat
    Without sails
    Towing a water-skiier
     
  6. Mark 42
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    That second one looks almost like Haiku
     
  7. Mark 42
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    Mark 42 Senior Member

    Click the picture for more info.
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  8. Mark 42
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    Mark 42 Senior Member

    Translation: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a pattern of self-centered or egotistical behavior that shows up in thinking and behavior in a lot of different situations and activities. People with NPD won't (or can't) change their behavior even when it causes problems at work or when other people complain about the way they act, or when their behavior causes a lot of emotional distress to others (or themselves? none of my narcissists ever admit to being distressed by their own behavior -- they always blame other people for any problems). This pattern of self-centered or egotistical behavior is not caused by current drug or alcohol use, head injury, acute psychotic episodes, or any other illness, but has been going on steadily at least since adolescence or early adulthood.
    NPD interferes with people's functioning in their occupations and in their relationships.
     
  9. Mark 42
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    Mark 42 Senior Member

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/search.php?searchid=299570&pp=50&page=1
     
  10. marshmat
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    Re: post 953.
    Boating under the influence should not be enough to flip a 26-foot sailboat. I smell a design flaw.
    We had one like this in Okanagan a few months ago. A houseboat of about 30something feet LOA as I recall. Rated for 35 people I think, were 65 or so on board. All up top. The driver (clearly not competent enough to call him skipper or captain) was told by several boaters that he was overloaded; he ignored them, the boat capsized. One death as i recall. Bottom line: Be smart, know what your craft can and can't do.
     
  11. mighetto
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    Twilight of the Gods

    Be smart - look at a mini transat. The 26x is of mini design. Be stupid and defend the drunk with a prior fellony conviction like Jim Teeters did. Follow his principles and be even more of a fool than he.

    See http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=22051

    The Twilight Of the Gods

    A blue bird tells me the VPP Tripp Gal supports is not only Teeters but also Visual Basic. Let her do battle with me now before the burn in Valhalla.
     
  12. TP 52 Defender
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    "Be smart - look at a mini transat. The 26x is of mini design"

    Now thats funny - a purpose built race boat call the same as a pocket motor sailor - the only similarity is size the differences saftey, construction, design, intended use, an too many others to list ...
     
  13. Mark 42
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    No matter how drunk you get, you could not capsize a proper sailboat
    in mild conditions, and even in harsh conditions it would be difficult
    to do, and would not stay down.
     
  14. asathor
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    To MacKid068

    Is the first poem about an upside down catamaran?

    How about a blues (you work on the rhyme):

    I went for a sail ............ Tahda Da Daah
    In my new TP52 ......
    The wind was strong .....
    I set all my sails .....

    etc.

    My dog blew away ......
    My blooper too .......
    Then I hit a fish ......
    and the keel fell off .......

    My crew took the dinghy and left me
    with the keelless TP52 blues
     

  15. Skippy
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    asathor: Is the first poem about an upside down catamaran?

    It's called "Ode to a Mac". (only one keel)
     
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