Is the ocean broken?

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  1. hoytedow
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    Quick answer: No.
    Slow answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
     
  2. ImaginaryNumber
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    The Planet Has Lost Half of Its Coral Reefs Since 1950
    • A new study reveals half of coral reefs have been lost since the 1950s
    • The study used a combination of databases containing thousands of surveys of coral reef cover, marine biodiversity records and fisheries catch data to assess how each factor changed over time
    • Primary causes are climate change, overfishing and pollution
    • Corals are ultra-sensitive to changes in water temperature and acidity
    • Certain coral species are more sensitive than others
    The study was published in the journal One Earth

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    Global decline in capacity of coral reefs to provide ecosystem services

    Summary
    Coral reefs worldwide are facing impacts from climate change, overfishing, habitat destruction, and pollution. The cumulative effect of these impacts on global capacity of coral reefs to provide ecosystem services is unknown. Here, we evaluate global changes in extent of coral reef habitat, coral reef fishery catches and effort, Indigenous consumption of coral reef fishes, and coral-reef-associated biodiversity. Global coverage of living coral has declined by half since the 1950s. Catches of coral-reef-associated fishes peaked in 2002 and are in decline despite increasing fishing effort, and catch-per-unit effort has decreased by 60% since 1950. At least 63% of coral-reef-associated biodiversity has declined with loss of coral extent. With projected continued degradation of coral reefs and associated loss of biodiversity and fisheries catches, the well-being and sustainable coastal development of human communities that depend on coral reef ecosystem services are threatened.

     
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    It's going to lose all of them and there is NOTHING you can do to prevent that.
     
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    The Cost of Insuring Expensive Waterfront Homes Is About to Skyrocket
    • In the U.S. flood insurance is generally purchased through FEMA, a government agency
    • All properties in a 100-year flood zone with a federally-backed mortgage are required to carry flood insurance
    • In the past insurance rates have poorly reflected either property value or flood risk
    • Starting October 1, rates will start being adjusted more fairly, with premiums for some properties decreasing, while increasing for others
    • By law, rates can only increase by a maximum of 18% per year
    • Some properties will takes as long as 20 years for premiums to reach a fair valuation -- possibly increasing by 20 times
    • This new policy will help make clear to wealthy homeowners who live in high-risk areas that they can no longer be subsidized by public money
    • Unsurprisingly, homeowners facing steep rate increases are howling to their Congressional representatives
    • I guess socialized flood insurance for the wealthy is more palatable to them than socialized health insurance for the poor
     
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    What, pray tell, has this to do with a broken ocean? You are using this forum to promote your covetous dogma.
     
  7. rangebowdrie
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    It has nothing to do about a "broken" ocean.
    It's just endless/insufferable leftist ranting.
     
  8. ImaginaryNumber
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    SWISS RE is the world's second largest reinsurance company (reinsurance companies insure insurance companies against catastrophic losses). They make their analysis based on cold, hard facts, not some short-sighted, tribal, infantile desire to "own the libs".

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    Socio-economic developments and climate-change effects to drive rising losses from severe weather events, sigma says
    • Global economic losses from disaster events in 2019 were USD 146 billion; insured losses were USD 60 billion
    • Once again, extreme weather events were the main loss drivers, and growing catastrophe severity will drive larger losses in the future
    • Population growth, urbanisation and economic development have triggered a rise in losses from weather events
    • Weather risks remain insurable, but insurers need to be wary of historical loss records while building risk models to account for socio-economic and climate trends
    • Failure to take immediate tangible action to confront warming temperatures could lead to climate systems reaching irreversible tipping points

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    Failure to Act on Climate Change Could Make Weather Risks Uninsurable: Swiss Re
    Global warming will lead to growing intensity and frequency of severe weather events, rising losses, as well as greater uncertainty in the assessment of these events by the insurance industry, which could make some weather risks uninsurable, according to a report published by Swiss Re.

    “Failure to take immediate, tangible action to confront warming temperatures could lead to climate systems reaching irreversible tipping points,” said the sigma report titled “Natural catastrophes in times of economic accumulation and climate change.”​

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    sigma 2/2020: Natural catastrophes in times of economic accumulation and climate change
    To date, the majority of rising losses resulting from natural catastrophes have been due to the rising exposure accumulation (human and physical assets) that has come with economic growth and urbanisation, the latest signs says. In the coming decades, climate change will be one of many factors contributing more to growing losses. In particular, as world temperatures warm, the frequency of and losses resulting from severe weather events will rise.

    "We cannot quantify the exact effects climate change has on weather related catastrophes, but it is clear that climate change is a systemic risk to the global macroeconomy. "
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    To date, the majority of rising losses resulting from natural catastrophes have been due to the rising exposure accumulation (human and physical assets) that has come with economic growth and urbanisation, the latest signs says. In the coming decades, climate change will be one of many factors contributing more to growing losses. In particular, as world temperatures warm, the frequency of and losses resulting from severe weather events will rise. Find out more in sigma 2/2020: https://www.swissre.com/institute/res...
     
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    Could could could might might might is all you ever state. Greasy.
     
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    State sea-level rise laws advance as urgency surges – Orange County Register https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2021/09/24/state-sea-level-rise-laws-advance-as-urgency-surges/amp/

    What's interesting here is the "growing urgency" is a global average of .1 inches per year or just over 3 inches since 1976, the year the Act was implemented.

    According to this article, Southern California should be more concerned with geological subsidence or uplifting than a small change in sea level.
    California’s Rising and Sinking Coast https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/147439/californias-rising-and-sinking-coast

    By specifying sea level rise as the danger, the laws can be argued for areas that are unaffected by sea level and land that may never see any flooding could be targeted for government acquisition anywhere along the California coast. Insurance companies can justify any price hike or refusal of services and force land to devalue just because it's near a potential flood if, for some theoretical reason, the average sea level rise should result in dangerous flooding.

    I for one, feel these are regulations based on theories and speculation that can and will be abused for the enrichment of well positioned investors, lobbyists and politicians. Maybe, MAYBE, the dangers are real, but an information campaign and the protection of land owner's rights to make their own mistakes should be more important.

    -Will
     
  13. ImaginaryNumber
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    This is the lead photo in your article. Would you like to purchase one of these sea-side units without flood insurance?

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    It is anticipated that the rate of sea level rise will increase. The melting of polar ice will increase, and surely sometime the cooling water of the deep Pacific will get to the surface and warm and expand. So why shouldn't forward-looking governments plan ahead? Buildings are expected to last for many decades, if not centuries.
    Don't you think they are smart enough to recognize that local subsidence added to sea level rise will create that much more of a problem?
    Nonsense.

    The article I posted yesterday said that flood insurance premiums will be going down for those with properties that are less vulnerable or less valuable.
    Nonsense.

    Insurance companies can already do that if they are so inclined. That is the whole purpose behind having multiple competing insurance companies. If some insurance company over-prices a given risk then they will lose business to another insurance company that right-prices that risk. And of course, if an insurance company under-prices risk, then they will go bankrupt when a big claim comes and they haven't put aside enough money to cover the loss.

    But as I noted in the earlier post, most flood insurance is only available through the government. And the government has way under-priced premiums. Now they realize that subsidizing rich coastal owners can't go on forever, so they are increasing premiums to better match actual risk.

    If an owner thinks that the government, or an insurance company, is charging too high of a premium, they don't have to buy the insurance (Unless their mortgage holder makes them, which I certainly would do if I were a mortgage holder. See photo at beginning of this post).
    As I noted above, no one who owns a piece of property free and clear is required to buy flood insurance -- or, I suppose, any other type of insurance. Land owner's can, indeed, make their own mistakes, and many do.

    I suppose it is no accident that you live in the State whose motto is "Live Free or Die".

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    How ironic (and unfortunate) that the "Old Man of the Mountain" (just up the road from you) has broken off the mountain. :( Maybe the "Old Man" should have purchased insurance? ;)

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  14. hoytedow
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    Ridiculous. Your last was just another post having absolutely nothing to do with the ocean.
    We didn't cause that loss of face either.
    If that hung there for 12,000 years why did the writer say it hung there for centuries instead of millennia?
    Maybe you lefties should have banned freezing and thawing resulting in frost heave.
    You frost me until I heave. :D
     
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    Lots of features like that one, all fractured up and waiting for entropy to finish the job. Some of the ones I know are poised over roads!!
     
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