Question about ship constructor

[pavel915]

Our shipyard is planning to buy ship constructor. But recently our high officials are confused by the words of representatives of Nupas Cadmatic. The representatives of Nupas Cadmatic said that " Ship Constructor is not good for ships beyond 80 meter length, if the ship's length is beyond 80 meter the software will not be able to handle the huge amount of data in the system"

I wonder , how it can be ture? So far i know many big shipyards who are building big ships are using ShipConstructor.

Yes, we can contact directly to ShipConstructor, but we prefer to take opinions from the members of this forum who are using ShipConstructor. I think we can have a better idea from you, who are using that software or know good about the software.

Another question, is shipconstructor compatible windows 7 64bit?

 

[ACuttle]

I think that's for the rep to clear up - obviously he was meaning to say something.

But I agree with you, as far as I know SC has been used for plenty of 80m+ vessels. Certainly enough example projects are for big-uns:
http://www.shipconstructor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=81&lang=en

I think it should be fine for Win7 64bit, I've only used it on 32 though.

Check the manual:
http://www.shipconstructor.com/documents/manuals/2011/Installation_Guide.pdf

 

[pavel915]

The representatives showed the reason that " the software will not be able to handle a lot of data on the system, when the vessel's lenght exceeds 80 m" and this is confusing us. So we need comments from the users of the software who used if for the ships more than 80 meters.

As i am seeing in the installation manual that , the version 2011 is compatible with win 7 64 bit , so i think it can take the advantages of RAM of more than 2 GB, so there should not be problem with the huge amount of data in the system.

It would be a great help for us, if we can know any experience of the people who used if for vessels >80 m

 

[ACuttle]

Well if that's word for word, then he must have a point somewhere. Maybe it's in relation to your server and computer set I don't know.

From what I've seen there aren't many shipconstructor users on the forum here and those of us that there are, they're are unlikely to be that many working on 80m+ vessels.

I'd advise you to either go to your reseller and ask him to clarify his comments, given that a lot of example projects are for larger ships or by-pass him and ask the question of Shipconstructor directly.

I cannot say why he'd be saying that, obviously any system is going to be taxed by a larger model size, that's down to part number and details as I'm sure you know.

 

[alidesigner]

Austal ships use it and their boats are well over 80m

http://www.austal.com/go/design-and-technology/design-and-technology

 

[Man Overboard]

80m or 80 feet? I could definitely see a limitation using the 32-bit application. With the 64-bit version (running Windows 64 bit) there would be a tremendous performance advantage: read carefully Microsoft SQL Server in the requirements section below.
Source: http://www.shipconstructor.com/documents/manuals/2011/Installation_Guide.pdf

ShipConstructor Software Requirements
Windows
ShipConstructor 2011 client and server installations are supported with the following operating systems:
· Windows XP SP2 or later (32-bit)
· Windows Vista (32-bit and 64-bit)
· Windows 7 (32-bit and 64-bit)
.NET Framework
Prior to installing any ShipConstructor 2011 client or server software, the freely available Microsoft .NET 3.5 SP1 must be
installed.
AutoCAD
Prior to installing ShipConstructor 2011 client software, AutoCAD 2010 or 2011 must be installed. ShipConstructor 2011
is compatible with AutoCAD and AutoCAD Mechanical. ShipConstructor 2011 is not compatible with AutoCAD LT.
ShipConstructor server tools, ShipCam and NC-Pyros are not dependent on AutoCAD.
Microsoft SQL Server
All ShipConstructor 2011 implementations require at least one instance of Microsoft SQL Server on the network. A free
licensed version of Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP3 is packaged with ShipConstructor 2011. It is
recommended that all projects are kept on the same project server to make administration tasks easier. For larger
projects (10 or more users), ShipConstructor recommends running a full version 64 bit version of MS SQL Server 2005
SP3 or SQL 2008. Note: SQL 2000 is no longer supported in ShipConstructor 2011. Full versions of SQL Server remove
limitations that exist in the free version of SQL Server. These limits include amount of RAM that can be used, and number
of CPU’s. A 64 bit installation of Microsoft SQL Server installed on a 64 bit operating system offers increased
performance due to large system bus bandwidth and the ability to natively address larger amounts of memory which is
crucial for servers hosting many or large projects.

 

[Justin Paquin]

ShipConstructor is designed for, and capable of, creating and managing the data required for projects ranging from small fishing vessels up to large tankers and warships. On our website you can see examples where companies are successfully using ShipConstructor on both large and small projects. http://www.shipconstructor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26&Itemid=29

ShipConstructor is fully Windows 7 and 64 bit compatible.

 

[ndar]

We developed very large ShipConstructor models as of 1998, under Windows98 at first. The 3Gb file size limit in 32 OS has never been an issue with respect to the ShipConstructor project database size. The largest databases I have seen have not exceed 1.5Gb for ultra-large, fully integrated models. 64bit will help with speed, and indeed allows for more ram. This is to say that the operating system being 32bit or 64bit is not a concern when it comes to ship model size.
Andrew has a point though, it is unlikey that many people participating in this forum will have had experience with larger ship models.

 

[chab]

Im very interested about them.and i am pleased to know the bit version doesnt matter

 

[maodou]

no problem this matter,in china we build 4250teu ship ,maybe we hope the shipconstructor can more fast because the sql database.

 

[Francesco Rossi]

We have under design a paxship at the moment with 25.000 structure parts without problems.

 

[star.love91]

i am a cadmatic user. shipconstructor is not good with optimoor and control edit piping , outfitting.

 

[ndar]

Star.Love91, your statement is empty and unsubstantiated, can you give more hard facts and tell us on what you base your opinion ?
Are you also an experienced ShipConstructor user ?
Valid technical discussions are always a pleasure, unsubstantiated opinions are confusing, potentially misleading and a waste of time.
Any other CadMatic and ShipConstructor users out there that could contribute their experience to the topic brought up by Star.Lover91 ?

 

[star.love91]

cadmatic features

i can tell you some more better cadmatic than shipconstructor :
- it can do more length ship >80m.
- Isometric piping drawing created by the piping module (material list details obscured)
- Drawing of a pulp and paper plant unit, generated by plant modeller (material list details obscured)
- Material lists can also be generated automatically from the model
- Cadmatic can produce Excel-compatible material lists for easy integration
- Cadmatic also produces specially formatted material lists that can easily be used as input for your own database system
- A powerful feature of the interface is that it has a look and fee
that users are familiar with in other applications
specifications can already be defined in the diagram phase
When modelling the correct insulation and materials ar
automatically selected according to the specifications an
requires no further input from the user. This saves time an
also helps the user to identify the correct space allocation

 

[Francesco Rossi]

I think shipconstructor is a good software I know that is not easy to edit for example a pipe (but I think the problems are the standards Aisi Atsm etc...)
Answering to you reply:
You have to set and yuo can set whatever you want:
-material List in piping spool drawings
-excel list whith what you want
-my pc is a workstation i haven't problem in modelling and in the interface.