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Rumor I'm trying to track down-anybody have any info?
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/speed-dream-27-prototype-39798-24.html#post614050 post 355
Rumor I'm trying to track down-anybody have any info?
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/speed-dream-27-prototype-39798-24.html#post614050 post 355
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So far no absolute confirmation of the story a friend told me about a Moth walloping an AC 45 but there is Simon Paynes blog(great championship Moth sailor) where he says this:
When I watched it in Plymouth I was amazed at the speeds of the AC45's, until it dawned that they were reporting in kilometres per hour and not knots. Thats when I knew we were probably faster, and last night as a green light turned to a err flashing blue, and I switched from white wine to red, I knew I was watching a spectacle. It certainly wasn't Formula One though, no not by a long chalk, it was more
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Moth Faster than Tornado?!
from "dogwatch" on DA:
RYA PN numbers are based on race returns from UK clubs and have a Int Moth around 7% quicker than a Tornado. Anybody here believe an AC45 is only 7% faster than a Tornado?
Not that PN numbers are gospel, of course.
Years ago and recorded in this thread was at least one incidence of a Moth being faster than a Tornado------
So far no absolute confirmation of the story a friend told me about a Moth walloping an AC 45 but there is Simon Paynes blog(great championship Moth sailor) where he says this:
When I watched it in Plymouth I was amazed at the speeds of the AC45's, until it dawned that they were reporting in kilometres per hour and not knots. Thats when I knew we were probably faster, and last night as a green light turned to a err flashing blue, and I switched from white wine to red, I knew I was watching a spectacle. It certainly wasn't Formula One though, no not by a long chalk, it was more
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Moth Faster than Tornado?!
from "dogwatch" on DA:
RYA PN numbers are based on race returns from UK clubs and have a Int Moth around 7% quicker than a Tornado. Anybody here believe an AC45 is only 7% faster than a Tornado?
Not that PN numbers are gospel, of course.
Years ago and recorded in this thread was at least one incidence of a Moth being faster than a Tornado------
So when was the match-up?
I'm NOT saying that the Moth could not, in the right conditions and fairly often, beat a T. Which one is faster may depend on how you define "faster"; for example what breeze are you referring to and how do you calculate the deltas. There seems to be little doubt that many Moths are not racing in major mixed fleet events in conditions in which they do not foil and therefore their UK yardstick does not seem to account for the entire range of conditions.
In the thread
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=64298
a bunch of people with significant Tornado, 18 and Moth experience (to say the least) commented in detail on the fact that the VX40 that sailed in Sydney a few years ago was much, much faster than a Tornado world champ and Olympic medallist. So the VX40 is MUCH faster than the T, the AC 45 is probably much faster again.
BTW for what its worth Australian yardstick figures put the foiler at 78, 49er at 79.9, 18 Foot Skiff at 68, A Class at 68, Tornado 63.5. Amazing performance for an 11 footer yes, rated faster than a T, no.
I'm NOT saying that the Moth could not, in the right conditions and fairly often, beat a T. Which one is faster may depend on how you define "faster"; for example what breeze are you referring to and how do you calculate the deltas. There seems to be little doubt that many Moths are not racing in major mixed fleet events in conditions in which they do not foil and therefore their UK yardstick does not seem to account for the entire range of conditions.
In the thread
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=64298
a bunch of people with significant Tornado, 18 and Moth experience (to say the least) commented in detail on the fact that the VX40 that sailed in Sydney a few years ago was much, much faster than a Tornado world champ and Olympic medallist. So the VX40 is MUCH faster than the T, the AC 45 is probably much faster again.
BTW for what its worth Australian yardstick figures put the foiler at 78, 49er at 79.9, 18 Foot Skiff at 68, A Class at 68, Tornado 63.5. Amazing performance for an 11 footer yes, rated faster than a T, no.
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At the UK's biggest winter series, the SailJuice Global Warm Up, they use yardsticks that are probably more accurate that the official RYA numbers. This is because they are based on levelling out the performance of the top boats, rather than averaging across all boats in a class (so the RYA numbers include old, outdated versions of boats when calculating a PY).
Anyway, the Moth have a yardstick on the SailJuice scheme of 555. That compares with 695 for the new rig 49er and 1118 for a Laser. No cats allowed, so no number. The official RYA PY for a Moth is 600, and the Tornado is 644.
On its day the Moth is still unbeatable on 555 (they took a clean sweep at the Bloody Mary), but in other conditions that seems a reasonable number.
Anyway, the Moth have a yardstick on the SailJuice scheme of 555. That compares with 695 for the new rig 49er and 1118 for a Laser. No cats allowed, so no number. The official RYA PY for a Moth is 600, and the Tornado is 644.
On its day the Moth is still unbeatable on 555 (they took a clean sweep at the Bloody Mary), but in other conditions that seems a reasonable number.
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From The Daily Sail (read the whole article here: http://www.thedailysail.com/dinghy/13/64058/0/aardvark-unveil-new-rocket-moth yes, you have to subscribe but well worth it )
New Rocket Moth unveiled
Latest airborne offering from Aardvark on display at the RYA Dinghy Show
Wednesday February 27th 2013, Author: James Boyd, Location: United Kingdom
Aardvark Technologies has launched a brand new International Moth, which they believe will be even faster than their successful Ninja design.
The first boat will be on display on the International Moth stand (C34) at the RYA Dinghy Show this weekend, showing off the latest in Moth design and technology.
Built in the UK, the Rocket design includes innovative such as a distinctive bowsprit wand and an eye catching paint job. The bowsprit wand, combined with a mast and centre foil position that is much further forward than other designs, aims to improve the boat’s longitudinal stability and in turn control and reduce drag, making the boat easier to handle around the course.
From The Daily Sail (read the whole article here: http://www.thedailysail.com/dinghy/13/64058/0/aardvark-unveil-new-rocket-moth yes, you have to subscribe but well worth it )
New Rocket Moth unveiled
Latest airborne offering from Aardvark on display at the RYA Dinghy Show
Wednesday February 27th 2013, Author: James Boyd, Location: United Kingdom
Aardvark Technologies has launched a brand new International Moth, which they believe will be even faster than their successful Ninja design.
The first boat will be on display on the International Moth stand (C34) at the RYA Dinghy Show this weekend, showing off the latest in Moth design and technology.
Built in the UK, the Rocket design includes innovative such as a distinctive bowsprit wand and an eye catching paint job. The bowsprit wand, combined with a mast and centre foil position that is much further forward than other designs, aims to improve the boat’s longitudinal stability and in turn control and reduce drag, making the boat easier to handle around the course.
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Mothing UK-outside temp cold :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wuJ2WePfJEU
Mothing UK-outside temp cold :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wuJ2WePfJEU
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Excellent detail on the new Exocet Moth: http://www.thedailysail.com/dinghy/13/64115/1/latest-moths-at-the-rya-dinghy-show-2013
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Excellent detail on the new Exocet Moth: http://www.thedailysail.com/dinghy/13/64115/1/latest-moths-at-the-rya-dinghy-show-2013
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