Speed Dream 27 Prototype

[Andy]

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uninformed, inaccurate and downright false insinuations

I can read, so not uninformed. And these other words are just that - words. Unsubstantiated, as usual. And I'm not the first, nor will i be the last, to challenge the rhetoric that this individual continuously foists upon this and other forums.

 

[sean9c]

Is DL the forum moderator? Sure seems like it. Sure drains all the enthusiasm out of trying to continue a thread

 

[Doug Lord]

Is DL the forum moderator? Sure seems like it. Sure drains all the enthusiasm out of trying to continue a thread

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I'm no moderator but I won't put up with personal attacks in the course of a "discussion"-thats SA not boatdesign.

 

[NoEyeDeer]

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Andy, while I think I have an idea who you are unfairly savaging with your uninformed, inaccurate and downright false insinuations you should be damn clear that this is not SA and that kind of personal attack is not acceptable.
If you can't deal with someone without stooping to the level of uninformed, malicious personal attack you should probably try SA again.

Suggestion: when responding to what you see as personal attacks, it may be a good idea to avoid wallowing in them yourself. Not that I wish to play moderator or anything.

If there's no more information about this boat forthcoming, I'll give this thread a miss.

 

[Doug Lord]

Suggestion: when responding to what you see as personal attacks, it may be a good idea to avoid wallowing in them yourself. Not that I wish to play moderator or anything.

If there's no more information about this boat forthcoming, I'll give this thread a miss.

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I don't think I was doing that at all. You see, I have personal knowledge that the adjectives used to describe the behaviour I objected to were accurate.

 

[Doug Lord]

Speed Dream 27

This is the very first post in this thread. Some comments in it have been called hype, for instance where the potential speed of the 27 is referenced.
"Computer models.......". If you are a designer and in doing your work with a prototype design you find that the potential speed of the boat is approaching 30 knots, wouldn't you want potential investors and others to know??!! Yet this statement has been ridiculed as "hype". Not only that, it has become part of the so called "claims" ascribed to Vlad-when in fact he simply relayed to us the information from his computer analysis because he thought it was worth talking about. Unfortunately, I think the reality of developing a radical new boat will tend to create a type of reaction among the less informed that is almost always negative. Makes it hard to see how such important information can reasonably be shared when the first reaction is so off the wall and when the facts are simply ignored. Facts like "Computer models suggest that the boat will easily sail at speeds approaching 30 knots."
And the 11' Moth is already above thirty knots......I think that there has to be some recognition of the fact that Vlad has been extremely forthcoming even after getting in trouble for reporting some computer results......He has shared many details so far about the sailing of the prototype and when the time is right there will be much more.

Vlad Murnikov just wrote to say they've found a builder and awarded a contract for the 27. He authorized me to publish this announcement and description of the 27-a very unique design with a whole lot of speed potential:


SpeedDream started as an idea, a simple notion that with some creative thinking applied, that a purpose built monohull might be able to reach, and in some cases exceed the speeds enjoyed by a similar size multihull. Well that notion has turned into an obsession to not only build a record setting monohull but to change the way we look at boats and their relationship to speed.

In the two years since first announcing the concept behind SpeedDream we have been surprised by many things so we were delighted when, after a global search for a builder, we discovered the very best place to build the boat was right here in our own back yard. We had received inquiries from as far away as China and made our own overtures to South Africa and Russia, but it was Lyman Morse, an enduring Maine Boatbuilder that impressed us the most and so it’s with great pleasure that we awarded them the build contract.

Lyman Morse has been building boats continuously since the company was first formed in 1978 and the roster of new builds and restorations show an eclectic mix of old Maine craftsmanship to the latest high-tech all-carbon technology. They are currently building a 63-foot Bruce Farr design for a solo non-stop circumnavigation and will slot the SpeedDream prototype in alongside with an estimated launch date of early next spring. Their modern, high-tech facility coupled with extremely competent boat builders along with a smattering of Yankee knowhow makes Lyman Morse by far the best place to build this kind of boat. We encourage anyone looking for a full-service boatyard or new construction facility to follow our lead and give them a call.

While the 27-foot version of SpeedDream100 is essentially a prototype to test the performance of some of the innovative features including the extreme canting keel that flies clear of the water when the boat heels over, it has evolved into something much more than a one-off prototype. Computer models suggest that the boat will sail at speeds easily approaching 30 knots and will be relatively simple to sail and easy to handle. With this in mind and in the spirit of free thinking, the plan now is to launch a completely new One Design class that will take over where the Melges and Mumms left off. Taking nothing away from these extremely successful classes, we think that there is room for a moderately priced, ultra high performance keelboat that places the emphasis squarely on speed rather than on tactical prowess.

There are some challenges that come with a boat that routinely sails well over 20 knots. Short tacking, for example, might be difficult. It will take around 35 seconds for the keel to cant from one side of the boat to the other, so a quick tacking duel up the windward leg is out of the question. So some new thinking was applied, and with an eye toward the ski industry where slalom racing is extremely popular, a new SpeedDream SpeedWay was conceived. Instead of racing a traditional triangle with a hired gun at the helm, two SpeedDream27’s will enter the start zone. Their task, based entirely on speed and skill and not the vagaries of wind and shifts, will be to get their boat around the course as fast as possible. Short, intense, speed-timed races, and many of them over the course of a day, will turn up a winner that knows how to maximize the full potential of their SpeedDream27. In fact we plan to not only borrow from skiing, but also from the highly successful Extreme Sailing Series as well as Nascar to create a whole new experience for sailors who are out for the sheer thrill of the ride.

The SpeedDream prototype will be launched early 2012 and will be tested in the warm, relatively flat waters of Florida. Thereafter the boat will be available for demo-sails. We believe that the best way to get intimate with the new SpeedDream27 is by taking one out for a spin. In the next few months we will roll out some creative ideas on how we plan to establish the class, ideas that include Shared Ownership as well as the creation of SpeedDream agents that will provide an “arrive and drive” experience for sailors seeking to leverage their ever-shrinking leisure time. Find out more at
www.speeddream27.com

 

[tomas]

Why the hostility?

So what if Vlad is boasting about his latest design? Perhaps he has found that this is an effective way to raise capital to actually have something built. It would not be my style but I've never attempted to raise big $$$ to build a design either, so I can't really know if I could get it done using a different approach. The performance results of his efforts will be the proof. These forums are full of designs ideas that are never realized, so I'll just wait and see how he does.


Also, I don't have a problem with Doug Lord and his enthusiasm for particular designs. If I don't like what he posts, I won't read it.

I don't see any examples where he begins personal attacks against others. If that was the case, the moderator would have terminated his account.

Please use the ignore feature if you find DL's posting content to be irritating.


I find these forums to be like a virtual University of all things Nautical so I am appreciative for all the contributions from it's members and these repetitive cycles of hostility diminish an otherwise great resource.

 

[rugosity]

I'm no moderator but I won't put up with personal attacks in the course of a "discussion"-thats SA not boatdesign.

If personal attacks are not to be tolerated, then what is this post over on the thread titled, Thomas Coville on Sodebo challenging Cadix - San Salvador record in the Multihulls section? http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/mu...llenging-cadix-san-salvador-record-46155.html

website-apparently all in French: http://www.sodebo.fr/voile
Sadly from "chris o" on SA:

Isn't this really a large helping of disingenuous, while you school marm scold other members about etiquette? Andy and others have this right and you should back away so that a full representation of ideas can be presented.

 

[Doug Lord]

If personal attacks are not to be tolerated, then what is this post over on the thread titled, Thomas Coville on Sodebo challenging Cadix - San Salvador record in the Multihulls section? http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/mu...llenging-cadix-san-salvador-record-46155.html





Isn't this really a large helping of disingenuous, while you school marm scold other members about etiquette? Andy and others have this right and you should back away so that a full representation of ideas can be presented.

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I'm not sure I follow you at all! When I read the post on SA about Coville I was greatly saddened-hence the use of the words "Sadly, from....SA". I've been following Coville and his boats for years and this misfortune is very sad and it could be very serious. I like and respect the guy as much as any person on earth!

 

[Doug Lord]

Monohull beats cat-again

When the discussion turns to a monohull beating a cat I usually point to the Moth that has done just that many times over in boats under 20'. Now there is a story I'm trying to track down of a race in Auckland NZ between a Moth and an AC 45-can you guess who won?
I was told there was a race in Auckland where a Moth beat an AC 45...... Anybody have any info?

 

[NoEyeDeer]

Considering that it has zero to do with the SD 27 protoype, why are you raising a completely off-topic matter that does nothing to clarify the questions people keep asking?

 

[Doug Lord]

Speed Dream

Sorry, but I think it is extremely relevant since the Speed Dream ultimate goal is to beat multihulls and anything else that sails on water. If the 11' Moth monohull actually beat an AC 45 it goes to show that the long range goal is definitely possible especially considering that the Moth is already the fastest sailboat under 20'.

 

[sean9c]

Sorry, but I think it is extremely relevant since the Speed Dream ultimate goal is to beat multihulls and anything else that sails on water. If the 11' Moth monohull actually beat an AC 45 it goes to show that the long range goal is definitely possible especially considering that the Moth is already the fastest sailboat under 20'.

Not seeing the logic here. Since the Moth's performance is reliant on the foils and Vlad M as stated that Speed Dream is not a foiler how exactly is this relevant to the SD27?

 

[NoEyeDeer]

It's not. It's just another instance of DL creaming himself whenever someone mentions foils, and randomly inserting his mania into any thread regardless of topic.

But I'm sure you knew that.

 

[Doug Lord]

Speed Dream

Not seeing the logic here. Since the Moth's performance is reliant on the foils and Vlad M as stated that Speed Dream is not a foiler how exactly is this relevant to the SD27?

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Speed Dream's goal is to be the fastest sailboat period-not with the 27 but with the final boat. Speed is what this program is all about. Vlad has not used foils on the 27 prototype but has not ruled out their use as the testing proceeds if he feels they are warranted. In the meantime, any sailboat that demonstrates great speed-particularly a monohull vs a cat is of great interest to him and to me. It's all part of the quest for speed....
I don't yet know whether this "race" between the Moth and AC 45 actually happened-still have no corroborating information.