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New York Times
Trump Administration Presses Cities to Evict Homeowners from Flood Zones

March 11, 2020
WASHINGTON — The federal government is giving local officials nationwide a painful choice: Agree to use eminent domain to force people out of flood-prone homes, or forfeit a shot at federal money they need to combat climate change.

That choice, part of an effort by the Army Corps of Engineers to protect people from disasters, is facing officials from the Florida Keys to the New Jersey coast, including Miami, Charleston, S.C., and Selma, Ala. Local governments seeking federal money to help people leave flood zones must first commit to push out people who refuse to move.

In one city in the heartland, the letters have already started going out.

Last year, Giovanni Rodriguez, whose white midcentury house backs onto a creek in the southern suburbs of Nashville, got a letter saying his home “is eligible for participation in a floodplain home buyout program.” The surprise came a few lines lower: If necessary, the city “would acquire properties through the use of eminent domain.”

Trump Administration Presses Cities to Evict Homeowners From Flood Zones https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/climate/government-land-eviction-floods.html
 
The federal government is giving local officials nationwide a painful choice: Agree to use eminent domain to force people out of flood-prone homes, or forfeit a shot at federal money they need to combat climate change.
They don't need to do it this way. Just legislate insurance companies from being allowed to insure homes located in flood planes and suddenly, those homes owners would be begging the feds to buy them out as their property values plummet.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
Take my home and the gubment owes me all property taxes paid on it since inception.
 
They don't need to do it this way. Just legislate insurance companies from being allowed to insure homes located in flood planes and suddenly, those homes owners would be begging the feds to buy them out as their property values plummet.

-Will (Dragonfly)

Flood insurance: A complete guide

....Flood damage is not covered by standard home insurance policies, so you need to buy a separate flood insurance policy. They are primarily sold through the National Flood Insurance Program (NIFP), though you can also buy it from private insurers. Unlike most other types of insurance, flood insurance policy rates don't vary between insurers.....

The NFIP lets you insure your house for up to $250,000 and your personal property (contents) for up to $100,000. If you rent, you can buy up to $100,000 in coverage for your belongings. For non-residential property, you can buy up to $500,000 of coverage for the building and contents....

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Fixing the National Flood Insurance Program

.....Despite repeated bailouts by Congress, the NFIP continues to lose an estimated $1.4 billion each year. The program’s debt to the U.S. Treasury now exceeds $20 billion, which no one expects it to ever pay back.

But the NFIP’s problems are largely self-inflicted.

The program’s fundamental flaw is that the premiums homeowners pay rarely reflect covered risk. Underpricing policies encourages over-development in areas vulnerable to flooding, while over-pricing deters property owners from purchasing coverage at all. In fact, recent estimates suggest that between 60 and 99 percent of Americans affected by recent disasters did not have flood insurance.

The NFIP recently announced that it plans to upgrade its rating methodology to more closely align premiums with risk, but it remains to be seen whether these measures will go far enough to stabilize its finances......
 
They don't need to do it this way. Just legislate insurance companies from being allowed to insure homes located in flood planes and suddenly, those homes owners would be begging the feds to buy them out as their property values plummet.

-Will (Dragonfly)
It's not that they don't need to do it this way, it's the way they are going to do it. It is what it is.
I'm pretty sure a flooded plane would plummet on it's own.
 
Take my home and the gubment owes me all property taxes paid on it since inception.
Yeah, that's how it works. Oh, wait, no, that isn't how it works. It's never worked like that.
 
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I'm pretty sure a flooded plane would plummet on it's own.
Of course.

However, the goal is to get them out of their homes before it becomes a flooded plain. Unless the goal is to simply get them out of their homes so other, more privileged entities, can own them later.

What's the government's plan for restitution if the dire warnings fail to manifest into real disasters?
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-Will (Dragonfly)
 
They don't need to do it this way. Just legislate insurance companies from being allowed to insure homes located in flood planes and suddenly, those homes owners would be begging the feds to buy them out as their property values plummet.

-Will (Dragonfly)
The point is, the public will get stuck paying for these private properties that will be worthless.

You're not a very good libertarian, advocating government legislation outlawing free enterprise. You should be advocating to let the free market supply these people with insurance. Of course, that's why the government stepped in with the NFIP, because the free market found it wasn't profitable to do it. Just like Medicare. So that's all the government has to do, not outlaw insurance, just quit supplying it.
 
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Climate change models predicted ocean currents would speed up — but not this soon

Scientists discovered that currents in three-quarters of the world's oceans have accelerated over the last two decades, driven primarily by faster, more intense winds. On average, the researchers found that global ocean circulation has accelerated by 36 percent since the early 1990s.

Although faster currents were observed in 76 percent of the world's ocean waters, the most dramatic changes were seen in the tropics. Trade winds in the tropics have been strengthening over the past few decades, but the acceleration has been happening at a faster pace than what wind alone could explain.

The study was published in the journal Science Advances.
 
How did we change Mars climate?
Mars ice caps melt at same time as ours.
Prove me wrong.
 
How did we change Mars climate?
Mars ice caps melt at same time as ours.
Prove me wrong.
Ok.
Remember, you asked for it.

"In contrast to shrinking ice caps on Earth, climate change is not to blame on Mars. Even as the walls of these pits ablate away the intervening flat surfaces are accumulating new dry ice. The total amount of frozen carbon dioxide at the South Pole may even be increasing."
The Changing Ice Cap of Mars – NASA’s Mars Exploration Program https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/22192/the-changing-ice-cap-of-mars/

I would like to comment.

This does not offer proof of anything. It is only a recorded observation and speculative explanation of cause. If the interpretation of these observations is correct, the Martian ice caps are not in line with Earth's ice caps. However, it should also be noted that as an ice cap made up of CO2, Mars is already covered with the dreaded "Greenhouse" gas and has been for millennia. Perhaps, it is losing CO2 and that is why it is growing its ice caps. Mars must be cooling because its greenhouse gases are becoming depleted. This would likewise cause more CO2 to be captured as ice, which leads to more cooling. It's a vicious cycle.

Could it be that we could fix both our problems by bottling up our CO2 and shipping (rocketing) it to Mars? It's worth consideration.

Maybe there is an even more sinister explanation. Could Mars be the source of Earth's increasing CO2? If so, the only explanation I can think of is an alien race siphoning off Mars' greenhouse gases and depositing it on Earth. Perhaps we are the victims of interstellar Imminent Domain and the plan is to take earth away from its owners for the "greater galactic good".

I offer no proof of this, only speculative observations of a correlation that leads to hypothesis for testing and consideration. :rolleyes:

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
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