design choice for homebuilt

[jazzmd]

First post here, although i've been following the forums for some time.

I've decided to build my next boat (aware that it is the cheapest option and it will certainly take more time that i can predict)

For now the two top choices are the van de stadt Madeira and the graham 13.4

http://stadtdesign.com/designs/stock_plans_sail/madeira_44

http://www.radford-yacht.com/dsn053/dsn053.html

I would really like to have your comments on these (or any other designs)

Thank you in advance

Victor

 

[upchurchmr]

Don't count on it being cheaper.

Those are big boats - do you have 10-20 years?

Have you ever built anything smaller?

The cheapest boat would be something used you refurbish.

I know that may not be what you want - boat building.

 

[gonzo]

As an option building yourself is probably the most expensive. If you simply want to build a boat, then that is not a consideration. However, if you are on a tight budget, a used boat will cost a fraction of building a new one, particularly yourself. Further, you can go sailing right away.

 

[jazzmd]

i already have a boat.... Actually a VDS
It'as simply something i've always wanted to do.

I just realized the typo... I meant "aware that it is NOT the cheapest option"

Can I have some comments on the available designs?

 

[gonzo]

I have always been a fan of VDS, so my opinion is maybe biased. The Madeira 44 is a beautiful boat.

 

[jazzmd]

My things with the vds is the dated design. I helped a frien building a caribbean. The plans are fantastic very detailed, but i struggle with such a short waterline (9.5m) for a 12m boat... It has the same waterline lenght as the 38 and 36 ft....

 

[gonzo]

Plumb bows are fashionable, but also wet and have little reserve flotation. Are you concerned about speed?

 

[jazzmd]

Yes.... I'd laike to have a waterline of around 11meters... And maybe a little less beam than the Madeira

 

[tane]

...you have to be aware that a VERY BIG proportion of amateur boatbuilding projects are abandoned, & the bigger the boat the more likely that the builder is running out of steam/money/marriage.
Have you ever built any boat? a 44footer is a daunting project particularly if it's not to be an empty racing shell but a fully fitted out cruiser. my very rough guess is: a non-professional is going to look at a minimum of 10.000 manhours...

 

[Barry]

There is a Madeira 44 for sale for $183,000 USD in Turkey.
2010

If you use the 10,000 man hours that another poster has suggested and assume the materials are $100,000 at a minimum. You would be working for 83,000 divided by 10,000 or about 8 bucks an hour.

But if you like the idea of building and can spare 5 years full time, 8 hours a day, working on the boat, the satisfaction of building your own boat has value as well.

What material were you thinking of building it out of?

To other posters: What would you expect the material cost to be on a 44 foot sailboat?

 

[tane]

...& don't forget to factor in the cost of your divorce-settlement ;-)

 

[Dandelion]

Frequent follower of these pages, only second time posting.

I just priced just basic materials, least expensive marine ply, epoxy, unstayed rig, polytarp sails, for an 18', lightlishly built catboat and I can't keep that under 10K, before a single piece of stainless steel is bought or anything stamped 'Harken' enters the picture.

I think I'll build the dinghy first. But, if you do build one of those beautiful boats, please keep us informed. I've probably followed a hundred build blogs.