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I missed the last day, did Australia win?
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These "interceptors" are known as Gurney Flaps in the car racing business, where they appear frequently on racecar wings to increase downforce of a wing with given area.
They are also known as Gurney Flaps in the aero business. But they are almost never used on aircraft, because they also significantly increase profile drag, and greatly increase the nose-down pitching moment, both of which are bad.
One refinement is the Divergent Trailing Edge developed by Preston Henne at Douglas Aircraft. This is sort of like a smoothed-out Gurney Flap, but which has been properly designed rather than slapped on as an afterthought. DTEs were developed specifically for transonic airfoils, for which they are most effective. By moving the loading from the top to the bottom surface, the DTE reduces the peak velocities on the top surface and thus reduces shock-wave strength and wave drag. This can offset any viscous profile drag added by the DTE.
Reducing upper-surface velocities will also certainly benefit a cavitation-limited hydrofoil. So it's quite possible that these "interceptors" improved the Oracle boat if they were used there. If so, then a DTE would work even better. Or not -- it's a benefit/loss tradeoff problem.
... As an indicator of true national pride ... please look at the videos:
Helmets - "USA" on one boat "Emirates" on the other
Wings - US flag on one boat some fern on the other
Hulls - US flag on one boat the other boat looks like a floating billboard ...
Laukejas,
nice post. You have put a lots of effort in it,
So, yes - I am nostalgic too, and was contrary to the adoption of these boats for the AC. But then I have realized that perhaps I am not nostalgic of those beautiful monohulls, but rather of the old times which they remind me of - which is very different. If you ask a 20-yrs old kid what does he prefer, he will imo indicate a fast foiler. Ask him the same question after 25 years time, and he will likely have changed his preference in the meanwhile, now opting for a more easy-going displacement or semi-planing mono.
That said, I have to say that the wall has been broken and it won't be possible to redo it the old way, in my opinion. The foiling sailboats are now here and will remain here. I believe it would be so even if Kiwis won the AC. Like I said in one of my latest posts, the sailing technology has to move forward, and will. It is a non-avoidable fact.
At the end, seaworthy vs. unseaworhy, monos vs. multis, foiling vs. planing, rigid wing vs. soft sails - they are all product of decisions and agreements which become class rules of the event. It happened that that it was decided to use foiling cats for this edition of the AC, just like it was decided at some point that cars have to drive in the right lane. Once it became a rule, people got used to it and now it would be pretty difficult to enforce driving in the left lane. After all, we are talking about a very particular sport event (on the borderline of the meaning of the word "sport") which has nothing to do with so many other regattas around the world, in which the other types of sailboats (displacement and planing monos and multis) will continue to have the main role. In the case of the AC, the rules wanted the foiling cats, and that's what we got. Period. The rest is just discussion for the sake of discussion.
P.S.
Your English is excellent! Your writing is crystal clear!
Some of what I said was half in jest. It is a big event and, as Jenny Giles
wrote, there is "trash talk", and laughing at failure and misfortune.
Nobody should take it too seriously.![]()
I have a couple comments on your post. The impressive graphics were created by Stan Honey's company and are even more impressive when you consider there are no fixed positions for reference. The technology is specifically aimed at making sailing approachable for viewers with no experience and I consider it a very expensive gift to sailing. Stan is a very accomplished sailor and navigator on numerous record attempts.
About the professional coverage that never said the word 'cheat', my understanding is that Oracle (Larry) had to pay not only for the coverage but also to air the race on cable TV. If Larry said all interviews would be naked spelling bees and aired in place of the nightly news it would be so.
About the cup, it has always been THE big bucks, no holds bared, peak of sailing technology excess. I would call this cup a great success if only in the ratio of sailing hours to lawyer hours. If you like J boats or 12 meters there are classes still out there racing -ironically not often because of rule squabbles. The AC 72 is actually reasonably seaworthy compared to most modern AC boats and considering their speed. The previous AC had much lower wind limits (an attempt by alighi to give advantage to bigger 2D sails) and the last monohull AC featured boats that broke in half and sank frequently in moderate weather. Even the original J boats were designed so light they were considered not safe to sail beyond the race series. The AC72s do over 50mph in 20mph wind, it was not a bad decision to limit the races after Bart's death. We are lucky the lawyers didn't kill the whole program.
I picked up a little tid bit that Oracles foils had "interceptors" added to them.
Supposedly done by Paul Bieker. The following rough sketch shows one on top and one on the bottom of the foil. It was likely placed one side or the other.
PeterEng, Slavi-what do you think?
NOTE-Slavi's sketch below seems to show some benefit for a foil-could it tend to retard cavitation, Slavi?
click(Ps I couldn't draw the foil level or nose up-the front is to the left) :
About interceptors:
For decades trim tabs have been the popular way to adjust a boat’s running angle. They work well on boats up to about 45 feet but on larger boats, you need some seriously big plates, which can create drag and don’t always deploy quickly. That’s why lately many manufacturers are turning to interceptors, such as those manufactured by Humphree and Naiad Dynamics. These blades mount to the transom and drop down vertically into the flow of water coming from beneath the hull to create lift without producing the drag of conventional tabs.
[Interceptors are] an upgrade because you don’t add surface friction [like you do] with trim tabs,” says Dave Newcomb, engineering manager at Sabre Yachts in Casco, Maine. “They’re more sophisticated, and they’re precise.”
Sabre uses Humphree’s 850-mm-wide (about 33½ inches) Interceptors on its 54 because the Volvo Penta IPS II pods that are standard power on the boat don’t have integrated tabs. They are mounted in the same position as trim tabs. The standard series lowers two inches while the extended series drops three inches. The farther the Interceptors extend, the more lifting force they generate.
They create more lift efficiently with less drag,” explains Greg Platzer, owner of Platzer Marine in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the exclusive U.S. Humphree distributor. Platzer says that because they can be custom designed, Interceptors can be installed in locations where trim tabs don’t always work, such as at the aft end of a propeller tunnel. They can also be retrofitted to a boat that has conventional trim tabs or had none at all. While some critics question the effectiveness of interceptors at slower speeds, Platzer says he has installed them on trawlers where they work just fine.
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Pictures,L to R --1) sketch and info of a foil using an interceptor(hard to see in sketch) by Slavi(found under "interceptors" on google) .
2) illustration of an interceptor used to replace trim tabs on a powerboat(see above), 3) my rough sketch of how it might be used :
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After some research , I found that "inteceptors" or gurney flaps are illegal in the AC 72 class according to rule 5.14.....
Stan Honey discusses ocean going mono and multihulls, "multihulls are much more sensible"
http://www.nemasail.org/pdf/Spring2011Newsletter.pdf
Stan Honey discusses ocean going mono and multihulls, "multihulls are much more sensible"
http://www.nemasail.org/pdf/Spring2011Newsletter.pdf
i do not know what you looked at?
helmets - i do not care
wings - there is a NZ flag very clearly to bee seen, just not as big as on oracle - probably you did not recognize it since it has no stripes in it...
hulls - "new zealand" is written on it in big letters.. even twice per hull!
regarding the fern:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_fern_flag
it is registered and "...may be used as an unofficial flag of New Zealand. The silver fern itself is a quasi-national emblem, being used for various official symbols, including the coat of arms of New Zealand and the New Zealand one dollar coin."
it is just plain bollocks what you right? here...
I don't see how rule 5.14 prohibits DTE's, or Gurney flaps for that matter. These are not boundary layer control devices.
well - that is valid for anyone, but:
if you cannot stay out or sail away from stormy seas, in a mono it does not matter that much while on a multi you are in really big problems...
sure enough - they are a lot more sensible for record breaking purposes but not at all, if it boils down to get around as safely as possible.
Rule 5.14 is very badly written, imo. Anything one puts into a water flow will alter the velocity and pressure field around it, and will hence alter the boundary layer. In the same moment they have put the horizontal elevator to the rudder, it has modified the flow field around the hull and the rudder. So, the rule 5.14 is practically very hard to enforce in a literal sense.They "alter" the boundary layer at some (small) area along the surface of the foil - does this mean they "control" it ? ? ?

I missed the last day, did Australia win?