goodwilltoall
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Landlubber
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North Sea trawler gets my vote.
For an economical engine try the Weichai R6160 series marine diesel engine.
http://www.weichai.com/e_products/channel/detail_1685.shtml
I saw them at the Shanghai Boat show, very nice piece of work, but of course, not German (neither is the price).
For an economical engine try the Weichai R6160 series marine diesel engine.
http://www.weichai.com/e_products/channel/detail_1685.shtml
I saw them at the Shanghai Boat show, very nice piece of work, but of course, not German (neither is the price).
Brian@BNE
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Richard, I've added a rendered thumbnail of the PL 80 to my earlier post (#10), and enthusiastically support it becoming #8 in your poll. BUT, I've already voted, so how will I be able to change vote from #2 to #8 ?
Tad
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The Cammenga Atlantic (72') and Pacific (85') Class trawler yachts designed by Willem de Vries Lentsch have always been favorites of mine.....I suppose they are related to the 1st design (North Sea Trawler).
Tad, that Cammenga 85' yacht has always stood out as a beautiful yacht, extremely graceful yet purposeful. i dont think any manufacturer has successfully recreated such balance in design since.
http://uk.yachtworld.com/core/listi...98&checked_boats=2211799&details=Show+Details
http://uk.yachtworld.com/core/listi...98&checked_boats=2211799&details=Show+Details
Landlubber
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....emmmm....now I am dreaming again of owning a boat.....silly bugger.
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Richard, I've added a rendered thumbnail of the PL 80 to my earlier post (#10), and enthusiastically support it becoming #8 in your poll. BUT, I've already voted, so how will I be able to change vote from #2 to #8 ?
Thats not possible, sorry.
And thanks for the picture!
Willem de Vries Lentsch was a wizard, he designed the most beautiful yachts ever (imho) see Haakvorts "Spada" or "Saga"
http://www.imgbox.de/img/apex1/saga001.jpg
I would not relate the Cammenga boats to #1 but to Daniel Skira´s #5 "Classical Tri deck".
Thank you Lubs.
Most probably I will put a 80 liter Grenaa Diesel in a boat of such size. That is a Danish make and the price is not German either..............500.000 US$ per piece!!! But they last forever and run on everything that looks a bit oily. TBO 15.000hrs......
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Richard
goodwilltoall
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Hmm,
I am not sure if you have read the opening post!?
BTW I do not share the common enthusiasm about Bolger designs............
... and this one sure will sink when I put a Grenaa 6cyl. in.
Yeah, that's a house boat not a passagemaker.
I don't think he know what that means...
I don't mean to sound mean to you Goodwilltoall, if I do - I apologize. But based on your previous posts--- Do you understand the forces that a boat even in a protected bay have to endure. A passagemaker has to be able to cross oceans like California to Hawaii or Miami to Bermuda to Azores.
It has to have the fuel, engines, seaworthyness, and comfort to endure 40 foot swells, perhaps even a good flip or two. All the while doing it in style and comfort.
If your laughing at my flip or two, build your boat that way... then you wont have to worry too much if it does.
I don't mean to sound mean to you Goodwilltoall, if I do - I apologize. But based on your previous posts--- Do you understand the forces that a boat even in a protected bay have to endure. A passagemaker has to be able to cross oceans like California to Hawaii or Miami to Bermuda to Azores.
It has to have the fuel, engines, seaworthyness, and comfort to endure 40 foot swells, perhaps even a good flip or two. All the while doing it in style and comfort.
If your laughing at my flip or two, build your boat that way... then you wont have to worry too much if it does.
Easy Rider
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Is the attachment 46295 the Cammenga Atlantic 72.
Thats the one everybody's Ga Ga over right? Well I'm Ga Ga too
BUT ..it's not perfect.
1. The shape of the stern is too close to part of a sphere. Perhaps it would look better if it had a reverse curve stem like many Dutch boats. Perhaps it needs to be more elliptical or perhaps I just can't see the stern well enough. The stern on my Willard 30 is more attractive and I consider it average for the type.
My favorite Trawler is the Nordhavn 46 and it's stern is even less attractive.
Come to think of it the only stern I can think of (and I have a pic) that I like that would be suitable for the type is on this Garden designed wood trawler that stopped in Thorne Bay 2yrs ago.
2. The other thing I don't like is those slanted upper deck posts. They have become vogue and I consider them trite (visually). Ther'e slab like too. Two inch ss stanchion tubes slanted but slanted less would look better and allow the
sheer line and upper deck line to dominate the midship lines as they should.
Easy Rider
Thats the one everybody's Ga Ga over right? Well I'm Ga Ga too
BUT ..it's not perfect.
1. The shape of the stern is too close to part of a sphere. Perhaps it would look better if it had a reverse curve stem like many Dutch boats. Perhaps it needs to be more elliptical or perhaps I just can't see the stern well enough. The stern on my Willard 30 is more attractive and I consider it average for the type.
My favorite Trawler is the Nordhavn 46 and it's stern is even less attractive.
Come to think of it the only stern I can think of (and I have a pic) that I like that would be suitable for the type is on this Garden designed wood trawler that stopped in Thorne Bay 2yrs ago.
2. The other thing I don't like is those slanted upper deck posts. They have become vogue and I consider them trite (visually). Ther'e slab like too. Two inch ss stanchion tubes slanted but slanted less would look better and allow the
sheer line and upper deck line to dominate the midship lines as they should.
Easy Rider
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Willallison
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Hmm.... perplexing choice you've offered us Richard...
I much prefer the long, low look. No matter the actual stability and seaworthiness, I just can't come at any boat that looks like it's about to fall over.
I hate rounded sterns. Sorry... just a personal thing
Of those shown, that leaves me with Tad's 88 (the 1st one he posted back in post #2). A great looking boat, and one of a number from his passagemaker series that I really like...
I find it interesting that you've left out a number of quite well known and succesful passagemaker's... Dashew's Windhorse springs to mind as an example. Not that it would get my vote on aesthetics...
Since so many others have, I'll offer up one of my own. It's not really intended as a trans-ocean passagemaker - more of an extended coastal cruiser. Nor does it fit within your length constraints, being 'only' 62 feet long, but what the hell....
I much prefer the long, low look. No matter the actual stability and seaworthiness, I just can't come at any boat that looks like it's about to fall over.
I hate rounded sterns. Sorry... just a personal thing
Of those shown, that leaves me with Tad's 88 (the 1st one he posted back in post #2). A great looking boat, and one of a number from his passagemaker series that I really like...
I find it interesting that you've left out a number of quite well known and succesful passagemaker's... Dashew's Windhorse springs to mind as an example. Not that it would get my vote on aesthetics...
Since so many others have, I'll offer up one of my own. It's not really intended as a trans-ocean passagemaker - more of an extended coastal cruiser. Nor does it fit within your length constraints, being 'only' 62 feet long, but what the hell....
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