"CRUDE" oil, an absolute must see program !!!

[Meanz Beanz]

Errrr well sorry bout that... but the OP has nicked orrrfffff. WOW that was a good coffee What me, hyper active, never... Gotta go fix a centerboard now so I can sail this weekend. Broke it chasing a pack of Bronze Whalers in shallow water

 

[masalai]

Errr Heinz, I just realised this thread should be elsewhere like "Community" - "Open Discussion" - Oh well, no one has objected & we all know where it is now

 

[Frosty]

Hey I saw onth telly last night that in Norway if you buy a hybrid car and you can,--you get free parking.

It went on to say that everything you need now is here,-- the cars the maintenance the parking. They cost just a little more than normal but it is soon recovered by the free parking, Thats good init ,I like that.

How come the price of oil does'nt shudder when news like that emerges but it will if Bush says nucilar. I think I can work it out.

Fuel cell cars leave in thier wake breathable oxygen ,drinkable water and heat. Some one is dragging thier feet on this. The oil companies are too big.

Although I would like to see a cleaner world I am thouroughly motivated by alternative fuels so we can tell the Arabs to STICK IT.

Although Dubai is better the Arabs have not spent thier money wisely.Most going to one or a little more families. Look at the degenerate Brunai family.

Back to the rice paddies,--and will no doubt have there hand out asking for money in a 100years time.

I have'nt had my coffee yet, It has arrived, its here at the side of me, but I have'nt slurped at it yet.

 

[Meanz Beanz]

Fuel cells are effectively a medium of energy transfer not a source. i.e. you need energy to create the hydrogen to begin with.

Don't think of the oil companies as too big and think of them as energy companies. Aside from the national oil companies which are political beasts and the truly big oil companies the rest will be leading the charge into viable alternates when they are convinced they have some/one. These people are not stupid but they do have a very clear idea about what it takes to supply energy on a massive scale. These guys net about 9%, considering the size and nature of the investment the return ain't huge. Software and pharmaceuticals do much better in terms of return yet they don't get the flack that the oils do. We can't live with out them, at least not yet, yet we ***** about them making any profit, stick road blocks all around them, tax them extra if they make to much profit (hell they might do something stupid like find more oil if we didn't punish them with taxation) and then ***** if there product ends up costing too much. These buggers are doomed anyway they turn

 

[rambat]

Oil profits

Beanz, you forgot, the biggest profiteers on oil are the EU nations. They tax fuel a lot more than 9%. I am always left wondering why it is assumed if Americans are ever asked to pay $5 a gallon, we in the US would be compelled to create the innovations and systems needed to wean off oil. Why don't we see those green EU proponents making it happen? They have been squeezed by their own "benevolent" governments by 200% confiscatory fuel taxation for decades. Its not "big" oil stifling alternatives, its those with the most to lose. Something to think about if we are actually thinking about it.

 

[Meanz Beanz]

The 9% was a reference to their profit margin. Caltex Australia made 1.5c per litre last year, not much really when you consider their investment.

Yeah taxes are the biggest take all over the world, government risks nothing, takes the most and invests the proceeds least wisely. You would not mind so much if they where busy contributing to the solution but nah...

 

[FAST FRED]

where did you get the $30 a barrel number from for coal to fuel?

This was the estimate given last year in Aviation Week & Space Tech

magazine for folks in those industrys.

How long to build a plant ? a few years , How long to get the permits?

Well, Will Rogers mentioned "WE have the best congress money can buy" 70 years ago , and only the price has changed.

FF

 

[Meanz Beanz]

Coal-To-Oil: America's Energy Solution?

Coal to oil conversion gaining interest in China

He notes that coal-to-oil plants are extremely expensive -- "[a] single plant capable of producing about 80,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day -- less than 0.5% of America's daily oil diet -- would cost an estimated $6 billion or more to build" --

Does not sound like a couple of years... these type of things are a massive undertaking and exceedingly so if you are talking about replacing a meaningful volume of oil production. It typically takes a decade to get new major oil discoveries on line and refineries of any sort are a touch more complex.

$48 bl is the estimate to do it cleanly, $30 for China to do it dirty.

I can't see it flying in the current political climate until there is a real crisis --- climate change and all. Actually sounds cheaper than oil sands which are very expensive to extract in terms of energy. Oil in Texas in the hey day consumed as little as one barrel to extract 30, expensive oil can get to 1 to 3 i.e. close to point less. I can't find the current cost of oil sand extraction but I do know that they are blowing out by around 50% over estimates, so we have to be wary of estimates.

The devil lives in the detail with these things and while I can see that coal will play a much bigger role going forward I can't see a clean, easy switch over. That being the main issue around peak oil, not the "back to the stone age" picture that some camps are promoting.

 

[Meanz Beanz]

"We have the best congress money can buy" 70 years ago , and only the price has changed.

I was told that you also have the best legal system that money can buy

 

[Meanz Beanz]

Love this quote...

The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

 

[Frosty]

Hey I heard a good one,

The arse is functional of- eerrrr-thats not right,-- eeerm--- hang on. Errr

Did you know some people can lick thier own arm pit,--I can. Try it, its easy.

 

[Meanz Beanz]

Why on earth would you ....?

Thailand eh ? Where about in Thailand?

 

[Frosty]

Oh, far south east of the North west bit in the middle.

If you dont lick your arm pit you will never know if you can or not. Some people can lick their elbow but this take years of training. Why should dogs have all the fun. Most animals can lick any part of thier body ,--but humans are intelligent,-- like me.

 

[Meanz Beanz]

You are in Thailand right? and you are licking your arm pits? Well yeah can't say as I blame you really ! Not like there are any purdy Thia girls to get to know eh? They prolly wouldn't lick your pits anyway, not even the ones with a meter.

You licky long time?

Frosty your a multiple personality type ain't you ? an "altered" ego... no?

 

[the1much]

i licked my toe once,,,,well,,,,,was caught once