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A new 85 cat concept
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I thought this was clear from website in my profile...
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mark775
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Leo, Don't stop! Anybody that can make a catamaran look reasonable has a place in the industry!
Just some examples, Alik. Aesthetics are a personal matter (I happen to find ALL of the designs in your gallery and website derivative and trying too hard to fit a lot in too small a space. I also don't liken to bows that curve downward, boats that squat, radar arches, "Eurostyle" teardrop windows, and cut-up, faceted looks but it's all just my opinion) - I just find it incongruous that someone who leans towards form following function would not appreciate that there are those (God bless them!) that just as vehemently would argue that if it doesn't look good, it shant be built! I feel that even interior designers, contrary to your argument, should potentially have a say in how a structure is defined.
A constructive critique, such as pointing out that the drive units can't come out of the chainlocker, I am sure is welcome. Look, I don't wish to hurt anybody's feelings but it is necessary when bullying bullies! Were I you, I'd be calling this guy up and begging him to come to work and you both could win!
Just some examples, Alik. Aesthetics are a personal matter (I happen to find ALL of the designs in your gallery and website derivative and trying too hard to fit a lot in too small a space. I also don't liken to bows that curve downward, boats that squat, radar arches, "Eurostyle" teardrop windows, and cut-up, faceted looks but it's all just my opinion) - I just find it incongruous that someone who leans towards form following function would not appreciate that there are those (God bless them!) that just as vehemently would argue that if it doesn't look good, it shant be built! I feel that even interior designers, contrary to your argument, should potentially have a say in how a structure is defined.
A constructive critique, such as pointing out that the drive units can't come out of the chainlocker, I am sure is welcome. Look, I don't wish to hurt anybody's feelings but it is necessary when bullying bullies! Were I you, I'd be calling this guy up and begging him to come to work and you both could win!
ALL our designs (we are team of 11, 4 of them having degree/diploma in arts) are real; they are being built and launched; in 2010 we have launched 12 designs from our drawing board (custom and new production models); we have developed about 20 complete designs and another 10 concept designs in 2010.
Some of our designs are workboats and special craft and probably not so elegant as 'yachty aesthetes' would expect. For some of them, aesthetics is compromise with customer's wishes, simplified construction techniques, etc. We are commercial designers and we design boats for our customers, not for pleasing internet community. Yes, most of customers now want to have as much as possible for boat's length. Once designer stops drawing boats for his dreams only and has particular SOR in front of him, he has to find compromise of appearance and functionality, and play with priorities. Besides that, our designs are published in boating magazines worldwide so there is no issue on aesthetics.
There is no point to compare 3D sketches of 85' cat (that is elegant by definition, due to its length) drawn without development of GA or even not showing steering station(s) with our workboat/charter boat designs of 32-34' (those You have posted). Why didn't You post our 90' footer pictures - it is launched and it was on front cover of yachting magazines?
There are few anonymous enviers/fiddlers who post 'vodka and yacht design do not mix' in Internet, about our designs. I don't really care about those idiots; we are busy with new designs and have a waiting list of new orders
But this is off-topic, in this thread - sorry for that; but I had to answer for those insinuations.
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mark775
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Leo, You see what your competition is - keep up the good work!
Hi Mark,
I do not like to compete as I just a unknown one here . I am not very concentrate on business . I just feel free to work more important than the competition . I do not want to get the job in very lower price for competition .
I remember 2 years ago a client find me to redo his boat rendering ,He got the poor rendering in very lower price from another rendering artist. So he hoped I can help him to do the better work . Of course the client happy with my frist rendering very soon.
I forgot the boat name ,,,maybe The poor rendering artist could still remember it ?
By the way I do not think get much order just means success , As we know some very famous yacht Designer in western,They only completed 3-4 yacht design one year .But theirs works real call masterpiece nonpareil and the owner very pleasant to pay them for 100 USD + Per hour . Why They can not do 20-30 concept one year ? But they real success .
I do not like to compete as I just a unknown one here . I am not very concentrate on business . I just feel free to work more important than the competition . I do not want to get the job in very lower price for competition .
I remember 2 years ago a client find me to redo his boat rendering ,He got the poor rendering in very lower price from another rendering artist. So he hoped I can help him to do the better work . Of course the client happy with my frist rendering very soon.
I forgot the boat name ,,,maybe The poor rendering artist could still remember it ?
By the way I do not think get much order just means success , As we know some very famous yacht Designer in western,They only completed 3-4 yacht design one year .But theirs works real call masterpiece nonpareil and the owner very pleasant to pay them for 100 USD + Per hour . Why They can not do 20-30 concept one year ? But they real success .
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mark775
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Yes, I see that your English is a little difficult. My oldest boy is fluent in Mandarin but not here now or we could talk more! (Sorry, I can't speak any -yīzhǒng yǔyán yǒngyuǎn bùgòu ).
...Oh, I see Alik gave me some negatives - Well, Leo, there will always be negatives but we just won't let those get to us! zhù nǐ háoyùn
...Oh, I see Alik gave me some negatives - Well, Leo, there will always be negatives but we just won't let those get to us! zhù nǐ háoyùn
Sorry for my poor English for you to hard to read .and thank you for your kind comment. In Chinese the color eye also call red eye . the meaning is enviers/fiddlers 's eye .
Congratulate for you have a good boy who can speak fluent in Mandarin .Say : ni hao to your boy
Leo, if You have asked comments on Your concept - why You keep offending someone who provides those comments? Or You have posted those renderings as advertisement only?
Better study something about boats: it helps once You decided to design them.
Better study something about boats: it helps once You decided to design them.
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mark775
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I will. Thank you. I know "ni hao" (From Ni Hao Kai-Lan)!
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mark775
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Alik <removed> - lighten up on the guy. The last thing we need is to drive away every new person, in particular, one with talent. I am the one that called you on massaging your ego at another's expense. Wait and give me some more negative rep when you can but try offering constructive critism, if you have any, to the new guy. Thanks.
Constructive criticism from my side is trying to explain to Leo the difference between a) design, b) styling and c) making renderings.
But I have nothing to discuss with You.
Alik:
Your point is :you are not a NA so pls do not try .It is negative and not about the boat comment.
DaVinci and Edison invented many things ,they are not the engineer. In your view,can you say: please do not to try ?
I just try to do some concept design as do my exercise .It 's personal thing and interest . If you real have constructive comment that welcome. For example :I can agree with Mark's comment :the boat looks a little busy .because that is constructive comment and about the design.
You can post your works anywhere ,if people will say to you: please dont to do that. what do you think ?
Your point is :you are not a NA so pls do not try .It is negative and not about the boat comment.
DaVinci and Edison invented many things ,they are not the engineer. In your view,can you say: please do not to try ?
I just try to do some concept design as do my exercise .It 's personal thing and interest . If you real have constructive comment that welcome. For example :I can agree with Mark's comment :the boat looks a little busy .because that is constructive comment and about the design.
You can post your works anywhere ,if people will say to you: please dont to do that. what do you think ?
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