Multihulls with interior design in Herreshoff style...

[Skip JayR]

different language cultures...

"filigranity" I get caught with the spell checker beast regularly too. I'll assume you meant "flagrantly", which is an interesting word choice.

Oh... what a provocation of misundestanding from my side.

I suppose I tried to overlay "German Grammar" (substantivation) to the ENG form (Rec.: I am non native ENG speaker. Sorry for my bad English. It's not the best I know.)

No, no... not flagrantly, not uglyness or unashamed. I meant "Filigree". Damm***. Good you mentioned it. That would have lead our discussion into a totally wrong direction

 

[Skip JayR]

On the edge of perfection... The Boat is turning into a banana...

A description of a dismasting on one of LFH's racers said the whole rig (mast and all) just exploded into little bits. This is the epitome of engineering, where the failure rate wasn't in a "weak link" but literally everything was sized appropriately and once this point was reached, everything came apart at once.

wowh.... that sounds provocatively as we see it in modern boat racing and America's cup projects. Pushing constructions (nowadays with light weighted materials, e.g. 100% carbon) up to the border till the breaking point. That's insane... or shall we call it perfection ?

Remembers me the break in two pieces of "Australia One" under skipper John Bertrand competing during the 1995 Louis Vuitton Cup against Team NZ on BlackMagic2... for the America’s Cup in same year.

Good old times where still monohulls (75 Foot Sloops) were sailed till 33rd AC in Valencia with up to 18 crew members...

Funny the moderator's comment: "The boat is turning into a banana"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yau9A7XDHs


NYT had an article about the reasons for the sinking of this 3 million dollar racer... http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/07/sports/yacht-racing-questions-rise-about-cup-s-first-sinking.html

 

[PAR]

Oops, my bad Cavalier, my apologies . . .

No problems Jay, I think I knew what you intended, just by the surrounding adjectives. The catastrophic failures seen then and still are going to happen, though if LFH had designed the boat, it would have disintegrated like a Cheese Puff tossed into a full bathtub. Racers, no matter the event type, will always test the ragged edge.

 

[cavalier mk2]

There is no doubt about the Herreshoffs contribution to yachting. Capt Nat's scantling tables are still the benchmark for wood construction. L. Francis had an undoubted gift for relating to fellow sailors.

No harm no foul PAR, I should have been more clear. I'm always reminded of Lotus race car founder Colin Chapman who felt the designer's job was done if the car crossed the finish line (in first) then fell apart.

I've had the undoubted enjoyment of putting together a Columbia lifeboat for a Seattle sailor and found working from the plans a pleasure. Combining engineering with art is rare in any field.

 

[Skip JayR]

box beam reference....

box beam reference.... ?????

What do you mean ????

 

[cavalier mk2]

If you look at the Greene tri photos Skip you will notice the shelves, bunks etc.... are form long boxes running along what would be the hull shear. Walter Greene's boats are known for being stiffer than a Newick because of construction like this.

 

[Skip JayR]

If you look at the Greene tri photos Skip you will notice the shelves, bunks etc.... are form long boxes running along what would be the hull shear. Walter Greene's boats are known for being stiffer than a Newick because of construction like this.

Ah.... this concept looks for my eyes so naturally and I feel confidently with, that I haven't thought about to cluster it as a specific design rule. It is a very "natural flow" to follow and adapt the hull shape. Makes sense... and I like it, feel comfortably with such a naturalistic "space warp". - Kind of Einstein boat ??? ;-) .

Maybe I didnt notice it as something special because I have experienced sailing on elder (wooden) boats and not this "IKEA look" so many of the plastic boats have nowadays.