Gitana 17-100' Trimaran Foiler-Launch 7/17/17

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  1. Doug Lord
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    The fact is the course error made by Team Gitana cost them 60 miles which would have put them much closer at the finish. I haven't found an accurate distance that Gitana was behind at the finish.
    UPDATE: I'm wrong to say it cost them 60 miles-more like around 124 miles since they started out 64 miles in front and wound up 60 miles behind......


    From Dolfiman in the Transat thread:
    If Gitana speed potential is not technically affected, they still have a chance, they already show at the beginning of the race that they are able to go faster than Sodebo in reaching conditions. Their delay in time is only 30 mn. On the other hand Sodebo is a very sharp machine and currently easier to lead at 100% than new Gitana still in the learning curve as confessed Seb Josse on their site. He also confessed their wrong route option 2 days ago (it was not a tactical move as I presumed optimistically), in french on their site :
    "Thomas and Jean-Luc played a nice weather option that explains today that they are leading the race. After the passage of the Azores we had the choice between jibing several times or going under J0 (big gennaker). Given our position at that time, we opted for gybing and navigation under J1 (genoa) which was to allow us to gain in longitudinal. Sodebo made the opposite choice by shifting in the West to slip. Our choice did not pay, far from it. Not only the state of the sea in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday did not allow us to exploit as expected our choice of sail and our meeting with a grain without wind pushed the nail. In the end, it was Thomas and Jean-Luc who pulled the right edge and in view of the weather conditions that presented themselves in front of our bows we had last night to jibe at 90 ° of the road to get away from the African coast and areas of light winds in our south. On the way out of this resetting, the addition was salty: from a 64-mile credit at 21h, Gitana 17 conceded 60 miles at sunrise. "t's always hard as a decision but the evening files were very clear. Sometimes you have to know how to lose a little to not completely mortgage the next events" .
     
  2. Doug Lord
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    Based on Dolfimans* estimate of 30NM behind for Gitana at the finish it is clear that had they not made the course error they could still have won despite foil and engine problems.
    * Transat thread
     
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    From the Gitana site,11/16/17 :
    Thomas Rouxel: “Ah! It was my first Transat Jacques Vabre and I wouldn't have said no to a little victory! But here we are with this second place and that's no small feat. We made a strategic error at the Azores, which cost dearly and I think it was one of the key points in the race. Added to that, we had foil issues, which no longer enabled us to make a difference in terms of speed. Furthermore, we were up against two mighty candidates.”
     
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    Yapping fan boy full of excuses. You lost.
     
  5. TANSL
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    Sure, he lost but if Gitana had not had failures, human and foils, and the opponent would have had more failures (I'm sure they also had), Gitana would have won easily.
    Now they know that with another navigator and with other foils they can have an option. That is the harsh reality, they must recognize it and learn from it.
     
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    While that is a reasonable supposition, you don't know it for fact. In any case, it's not posted here so you can't rely on it to support specific theoretic benefits. What you have posted in your MPX Foil/Trimaran thread* is just more theorising with neither detailed analysis nor empirical evidence of efficacy.

    Your theories may be entirely correct, I was simply pointing out that there is neither published detailed analysis nor empirical evidence to support them.

    * The thread covers 3 different models, one of which isn't a trimaran and doesn't have the "Fire Arrow Foil System". Only one model has been in the water and has amassed 1hr 50min of testing over 3 years ago. Of that, perhaps 30 min was in foiling conditions with no more than about 15 seconds of continuous foiling. An encouraging start in need of followup.
     
  7. Doug Lord
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    From Team Gitana:

     

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