Old Quarter Tonners -Magic Bus

[sean9c]

I guess it was more the overall look of it that appealed, the classic long transom, broad stern and fine bow, I didn't discern too much shape distortion from that photo but I'm not too familiar with Nissen designs.

The discussion by sean9c re the propellor/engine issues with Timschal are interesting. With some of the bigger heavier boats there were some efforts to get a shaft drive extension (or something like that) down into the keel to maximise the prop depth for the EPF measurement. As best I can figure the rule did seem to even out the relative costs and benefits of various prop and shaft installations but there was probably a lot of optimisation going on in this area as much as any other.

I think too that there were often a few hasty engine modifications at various regattas while crews tried to get their motors to achieve a speed under power equivalent to the square of the L measurement (or thereabouts? - PaulB?). Certainly Candu II came close to not qualifying for the Half Ton Cup in Trieste with an outboard that took a bit of tuning, they passed the test in the end by just .2kn.

Also interesting that in '76 MB had a giant outboard, they really had to wrestle it out of the boat. The thing flew under power

 

[luckystrike]

Should your info about the two German customized boats be relevant for QTC74, they did not for certain finish top 15. QTC72 had no German participation.

Many Thanks for your Infos. It seems that the glory of the boat they told to me was a product of alcohol and the fog of history. Nevertheless, it was a very fine and fast boat. I miss her!

Michel

 

[siler]

Hello, I own an Ecume de Mer 1/4 tonner in Holland and 'found' 70 boats/owners over here. We are now the EdM club Holland ;-) Some time ago I read that EdM 'Dark Star' won the North American 1/4 Ton Cup in the seventies. Via www.sailinganarchy.com I got in contact with the owner Ben Hall (of Hall Spars) who send me some pictures. Another Anarchist send me an article about the Cup and the winning boat 'Dark Star', very interesting!

Next year we are going to organize the first Dutch Quarter Ton Cup in Holland. We also made a page on Facebook, search for Dutch Quarter Ton Cup

Good wind,
hylke (dM 'Pura Vida')

 

[CRM]

Crm

Oh yes the 1/4 tonner with forward swept spreaders !

 

[Paul B]

Oh yes the 1/4 tonner with forward swept spreaders !

Eric was (and is) a really sharp guy. However, this idea wasn't one of his best. I guess it worked well enough to win on this boat, but was then abandoned.

 

[RCundiff]

Paul B and others .... It is time to get an introductory RC Sailboat. Looking for advice on the best production @ minimal cost, as I want to purchase 5 to get something going on our lake. Considering the Vela.
Roy Cundiff, Corsicana TX

 

[Paul B]

Paul B and others .... It is time to get an introductory RC Sailboat. Looking for advice on the best production @ minimal cost, as I want to purchase 5 to get something going on our lake. Considering the Vela.
Roy Cundiff, Corsicana TX

The ABYC guys have been using Nirvava IIs. I think they cost about $200.00 all up.

http://www.fleetracing.net/index.cfm?fleet_id=19

 

[jaluka1]

Paul B

Do you have any of the drawings of High Roler or any idea where i could get them as i have recently purchased High Roler an want to make some modifications. the drawings or any plans would make the task so much easier . Have e-mailed dennis Connor and have had no luck so far then found your quote hopefully you could point me in the right direction much appreciated Hadyn..

 

[Paul B]

Paul B

Do you have any of the drawings of High Roler or any idea where i could get them as i have recently purchased High Roler an want to make some modifications. the drawings or any plans would make the task so much easier . Have e-mailed dennis Connor and have had no luck so far then found your quote hopefully you could point me in the right direction much appreciated Hadyn..

Which Roler do you have? There was the Peterson, the Holland, the Nelson, perhaps others?

I would suggest contacting the designer.

 

[jaluka1]

high roler peterson 46

 

[jaluka1]

Paul B
Thank you for quick response she is a peterson 46 Built by carl echenlob ( not sure of the spelling) for Dennis Connor to race the admerials cup in 1977-8 not too much more info cheers Hadyn attached photo above
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[Paul B]

Paul B
Thank you for quick response she is a peterson 46 Built by carl echenlob ( not sure of the spelling) for Dennis Connor to race the admerials cup in 1977-8 not too much more info cheers Hadyn attached photo above
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Yes, that is the Peterson 46. DC did sail on her at the '77 SORC where they won the A Class in the "new boat division". However, politics led the selection committee to choose the Chance 46 Bay Bea for that slot at the AC. By fall 1978 it had been donated to the USC Sailing Team and I got to sail on it.

It was built by Carl Eichenlaub. Carl still has a small operation of Eichenlaub Marine in San Diego. You can find the contact info on the internet. Carl might be able to answer your questions. I did hear last week that he wasn't doing too well at the moment.

Doug would still have the original drawings. If you can get hold of him maybe he would burn copies for you. I traded e-mails with him a few days ago, but I don't think I should give his contact info out to anyone. I know you can find him quite often at the SDYC bar, having lunch or informal meetings with people.

 

[CT249]

There's some background info on High Roler in "No Excuse to Lose", DC's first autobiography (that is, NOT "Comeback" which was written late '80s).

Her sistership Battlestar, ex Superstar, is in Western Australia but has had a horrible deckhouse fitted.

 

[salkbj]

Her sistership Battlestar, ex Superstar, is in Western Australia but has had a horrible deckhouse fitted.

Superstar and also the second Williwaw were based on the first High Roler.
Williwaw(2) won SORC78, class B, also with DC helming and were already for 79 replaced by Williwaw(3), 45', yet again class B winner with DC.
Williwaw(2) was acquired by Alan Bond, renamed Apollo IV, and may also be somewhere in Australia!?
There was a second Peterson 44' High Roler built for SORC79 before the Holland and Nelson boats.

 

[Paul B]

Superstar and also the second Williwaw were based on the first High Roler.
Williwaw(2) won SORC78, class B, also with DC helming and were already for 79 replaced by Williwaw(3), 45', yet again class B winner with DC.
Williwaw(2) was acquired by Alan Bond, renamed Apollo IV, and may also be somewhere in Australia!?

The racing yacht design business is sure a funny one.

After Peterson's designs won that "46 Footer Class" at the circuit 3 years running not one client came to him for a boat of that size for 1980. I wonder what people's mindsets were in making those sorts of decisions.

So Peterson had to dominate the next class down with the overall winner (Acadia, Serendipity 43) winning the class, and the 3rd place overall boat (Forte, "big dinghy" 41 footer) finishing 2nd in the class.

Forte was the top scoring fractionally rigged boat that year.

I was in San Diego prior to the SORC to sail in the Catalina 27 Nationals. One day we were sailing out to the start area when we saw this boat with a giant mainsail coming out behind us. As they blew by us I could not believe what a wonderful looking boat it was. The rig looked enormous. I guess they were doing their shakedown prior to shipping to FLA.

Of course now the rig would look ridiculously small compared to many raceboats, and even racer/cruisers. But in that era the thing was amazing.