Yeah, I'm crazy, what's your point?

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by cthippo, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. kerosene
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    kerosene Senior Member

    I am talking as total amateur and have no experience in big boats - but i have experience in being over my head in projects.
  2. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Ports are full of old timers. Most of them unremarkable. When you get the urge and the money to rescue one only do it if it a pedigree design, built by a famous builder, for a famous client who accomplished noteworthy achievements with the vessel.
  3. kach22i
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    kach22i Architect

    Same thing with turning an old barn into a home. If the barn housed animals and not just hay and tractors then forget about it.
  4. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Offer them $1700 max.. and sell it on if they take it..
  5. CatBuilder

    CatBuilder Previous Member

    I agree with Kerosene. $17K wouldn't come close to getting her in bare bones liveaboard shape. Price out the list I put in this thread earlier for you... way more than $17K for a 60x18 boat.

    And... that's just the introductory cost. The annual costs would be staggering. Several thousand minimum a year. For example, $17,000 would get you maybe 400 hours of motoring this beast around, not counting oil changes and engine maintenance. That's just fuel.

    400 hours of motoring that thing would probably get you to San Diego and back, if my rough, "in my head" estimate of distances out there is close.

    I'm almost glad to hear they had a $17K deposit that you are having trouble with. It's a good reality check, unfortunately. I wouldn't want to see you get in over your head... and if the $17K is a problem at all, you would have been.

    Look for smaller boats. They are orders of magnitude cheaper to buy and run.
  6. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Well put!

    When 17k$ are already worth a single word, that is a far, far too big project to dream about. With a zero behind, it would be a cheap deal, when she would be in running order then.


    it would be nice, if you would not upload such hughe pictures! Not only makes it reading the post cumbersome, it is consuming bandwidth, a expensive feature for those of us sailing, or having restricted internet access.

  7. Steve W
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    Steve W Senior Member

    What does she have for an engine?
  8. souljour2000
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    souljour2000 Senior Member

    That thing could hold alot of fish in her day with the looks of her belly....What a cool boat...I hope someone can save her....somehow...but we can't save 'em all...a classic beauty though.
  9. MickT
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    MickT Junior Member

    This is very funny.
    In the spring of 2007 I painted the engine room of this boat to keep myself afloat until salmon season. It was at some wingnuts dock over by Poulsbo, keysomething, I forget. I stayed on her while I was painting it and removing crap from her.
    It was a long time ago but I can definately remember that there was no fish smell whatsoever, she had been converted to a liveaboard for some time. The interior was kindof nicely done up at the time. i remember that the shaft log was leaking badly most of the time and that it probably needed to be replaced, so pay special attention to that. Aside from that I doubt it would cost that much to get it converted to liveaboard, at least. Of course that wouldnt exactly save you money on rent, but it would be a very cool house.
    When I talked with my captain about her that season he told me that she had been used for running drugs for for quite some make sure nothing is still hidden aboard! :) Good luck to you
  10. BATAAN
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    BATAAN Senior Member

    Nice old Halibut schooner... I'll be going past PT today so will try to have a look. Back in the 70s this was a very common type on the haulout where I worked and we did much caulking, refastening etc on them, so possibly can give a not-completely-ignorant opinion. And if the Port wants $17k for removal bond, why not just slap on a coat of bottom paint and splash her? Monthly berthage for 65 feet is about $900 on the linear dock and you can live aboard while saving the $$ for the usual drill of reef, refasten, recaulk, replank, repaint for the rest of your life or until you sell her, whichever comes first, and probably soon.
    There's something about the feel and smell of an old boat that screams 'history' and 'lives lived well', that awakens a primal emotion and we try to capture that by keeping the old girls going. In PT is a large 1890 Steam tug that got its stem bashed good in a recent storm when a big FV blew into her at the mooring, taking them both into the seawall for several hours, and two young shipwrights have a great deal of the bow planking off, the stem removed, and are looking at the massive split and broken frames and fore deadwood. Luckily all was insured.
    After watching other dreamers flagellating themselves to divorced, alcoholic, skinny, pathetic human wrecks over repairing large old boats, I built a new one instead, and it was truthfully easier, cheaper and quicker than fixing something that would always need some more work, plus I got the boat I needed, not what was lying around.
    BERTIE here was launched in 1984 for $15k hull and deck, $30k finished and off to Mexico for 8 months. On our return from La Paz to SF we did 2500 miles on a close reaching starboard tack in 21 days using 12 gallons of fuel in the NE trades about 600 miles offshore. $17k would easily finance a year's worth of cruising if I stayed out of marinas and restaurants.

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  11. BATAAN
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    BATAAN Senior Member

    This afternoon I went down to look at the old girl and she's very very rotten in the stern. There's a 'bra' of steel holding the ring timber in place and straps across the stern post to stop the planking from going south. On the port stern is an area of very rotten wood, with shelf fungus sticking out! The bow looks not too bad, except for the weeds growing out of the rubrail. Run far far far away from this boat. She's enormously short and fat, a real packer, but not efficient unless you have 30 tons aboard. No no no.
  12. cthippo
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    cthippo Senior Member

    Detroit 8V71


    Seems like everyone on the west coast has some relationship to this boat. I ran into another of her former owners up here in Bellingham last week. Apparently after he had her they were picking up BC bud and selling it right off the dock!


    That's the toss up. There will never be a day when I can write a check for $20,000 for a boat, so the options are either build new or buy a boat with serious issues and repair it. Personally, I'm open to going either way. In the end I may well end up spending $50,000, but so long as it's not all at once I don't mind.

    The Silver Wave is far bigger than I want, but design-wise she's the closest thing I've yet seen to what I have in mind. Something about 2/3 that size in steel would be preferable, but if I get a similar opportunity I would snap it up. I don't mind being in over my head, in fact it's where I prefer to be :D
  13. Mr Efficiency
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    Mr Efficiency Senior Member

    What's the real story with "ineradicable" fishy smells......will liberal dustings of bi-carb of soda help ?
  14. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    Smell of death won't come out.

  15. ancient kayaker
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    You can try having the interior soda-blasted and then spray-sealed. This is done following a house fire to prevent the soot from stinking up the house for ever after and is very effective. I don't see why it wouldn't work on a boat, provided the interior was dry. Of course, the interior finish might have to be removed to come to the effected parts.
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