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WTB - 23CC seacraft molds

Discussion in 'Boat Molds' started by JR-Shine, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. JR-Shine
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    looking for 23' seacraft/splash molds. In any shape, does not need to be complete.

    email joelrshine@hotmail.com
     
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  3. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Hi Joel, the SeaCraft 23 is well into public domain by now, I would think and considering it was a pre '63 design, the hull form wouldn't be one with modern geometry and balance. Carl did patent the warp bottom hull form, but again, this was pre the 1963 Navy Carderock basin tests, which changed everything. As to where to find one, you got me.
     
  4. JR-Shine
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    I am a huge fan of Mr Moesly and his work. I am also very much aware of intellectual property rights and hull design. I will be making more than just cosmetic changes. I am not interested in copying anyone's work or trying to get around property rights. Perhaps the term "spash" is loaded and I should have left it out :)

    The 23 is a different hull than the original 21. The 23 I rebuilt ran better than any other modern 23 I know of. Problem is, I want to build a new hull with modern materials/techniques - and I cant do that when I start with a 70's matt and roving hull.

    Anyway, I know there are mold sets out there and I would like to find one. If its turns out there is any bad mojo associated with making a boat from these molds - then I will not do it, plain and simple.
     
  5. PAR
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    No bad mojo Joel, though the term "splash" will raise some neck hairs for a few.

    I know the 23 was redone in the mid to late 60's and this one may still have some protection, thought I doubt it. You might want to figure out which one you're intrested in (significant differences) Your best bet is to simply contact the keepers of Moesly's efforts (> MoeslySeaCraft@yahoo.com <), who will likely know who has molds, possibly what shape they're in, etc.

    In this vain, lines are available for the original 23 and using these as a base, for an updated build, wouldn't be anything different than developing any similar design. Also the patent submission is available and shows the significance I mentioned. The original was a typical pre '63 warped bottom, while the patent was a take on the "shingle strake" concept, which was applied before on some hull forms (Thompson comes to mind), but solidly developed into a "variable deadrise" form. It offered a nice ride and stable platform, with seemingly more deadrise than would be typical for these attributes. The key was the strake arrangements which work like athwart steps and make the water flow think, the hull has less deadrise than it actually has, so it's stable, yet it sheds and strips flow as speeds increase, for decreased resistance. The only drawback I've seen on this type is, if driven too fast they'll dry out the chine and walk like a ***** (or worse). Driven responsibly, they'll do very well.
     
  6. bigshrimpin
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    Joel - Did you have any luck contacting Noank Bill from CSC? I know he told me about a mold they made from a 23 stretched to 25 or 26.

    PAR - There's a huge following of this hull. Any given commercial bass day off chatham, ma you can find 40 + 1970's 23 seacraft commercial fishing. Last comm bass day I counted 27 of them ( not including my own ). The 23 hull was a Bill Potter creation (with a design firm) and a modification of Mosley's 21 hull. The 23 is very stable at speeds up to 50mph. It tracks like a dream in following seas and is one of the most seaworthy trailer-able hulls out there. Do you have any pics of a Thompson hull with a variable deadrise?
     

  7. JR-Shine
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    I tried maybe six months ago, but no luck. At least I think that was the one I was trying to track down. There was one in south Florida, but the trail went cold on that one too

    I could get mine to 50 with a light load :)

    I would love to build a little more buoyancy into the stern, give room for recessed tabs, etc - and start with a new hull !
     
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