What is this?: Design from the 70ies

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by lausl, May 16, 2018.

  1. lausl
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    lausl carpe diem yacht design

    I am looking for the make and model of this boat, i cannot find any hint on the boat. it has got a Bladt Diesel and a wooden Mast, a quite small but wide transom, some say it i a Princess from 1978...
    any help appreciated
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  2. JosephT
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    Quite difficult without a good profile shot of the hull. Top view a plus. No manufacturer name plate on the hull? If not, someone who has sailed it before might recognize the deck areas. It's definitely an older boat. Looks like a solid boat. At a minimum you could measure it, then browse this index and match it up by length.

    Full List of Sailboats http://bluewaterboats.org/about/index/

    From there, narrow it down further by shape of its keel, deck & sail plan.

    One of our users (Angelique) is a boat finding sleuth. She or another user might know what it is.

    Either way let us know what you find out!
     
  3. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    The appendages look early to mid 70's which means it may have a HIN on the upper right corner of the transom.
     
  4. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Thanks Joseph, but like you said in post #2, a good hull profile shot and a deck view would really help here, as would to know the dimensions L × B × D.

    It could be we have to look at Europe for this design, as the boat looks to be located there now, since Klaus is from Germany, and the in post #1 on pic 4 partly shown trailer licence plate is German, as is the mostly covered neighbour trailer licence plate in pic 1.

    Below the blue first section with a circle of yellow stars on a Euro vehicle license plate from Germany (Deutschland).
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    For Germany it further has black letters and numbers on a white background with a thin black border around it, the topic boat looks to be on a trailer from the Munich area, since the partly shown plate in pic 4 seems to be starting with a ‘‘M’’.

    About the boat, see: SailboatData.com ---> Search L.O.A.

    Fill in the LOA range as narrow as possible, and check the options, I would say.

    E.g. LOA 30' to 31' gives me right now 384 sailboat designs listed there.

    Good luck !
     
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  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    OK here's my best shot from the little info in the above post #1, found on a German sailing forum: Segeln Forum

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    Thread: Ventura 30 Champ ---> post #1

    VENTURA 30 Champ, Bj. 1973/74note the year is only specific for the boat in that thread

    Werft: Hanjo-Yachtbau GmbH in Mönchengladbach, Deutschland.

    Länge: 9,22 m - (30¼')
    Breite: 2,93 m - (9' 7½")
    Tiefgang: 1,50 m - (4' 11")
    Verdrängung: 3,2 Tonnen laut Werft (Leergewicht) - (7,054.8 lbs)
    Ballast: 1.450 kg - (3, 197 lbs)
    Segelfläche: 36,3 m² - (390.7 sq ft)
    Konstrukteur: Gerhard Gilgenast
    Yardstick: 108 (DSV)

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    Die Ventura 30 ist ein schönes Beispiel dieser Aera.

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    Next links are in Dutch, as it turns out there's a Ventura 30 Champ for sale (or give away) in the Netherlands, for a handyman the ad says, needs to go ASAP, she has a mast + boom + rigging and a dodger, but no sails and no engine, inside is a wreckage, current bid is € 1,000.00 - (US $)

    The ad text says the first one who actually shows up and takes her along can get her almost for free, it seems like someone has given up halfway a project.

    ( Edit: - P.S. - I've just checked on Monday 28 May 2018 at 02:43 CEST, all old biddings are removed, the highest bid is now € 200.00 - (US $) )

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    The same guy has an engine with transmission separately for sale.
     
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  6. JosephT
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    Bravo I knew you would track it down Angelique!
     
  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    The red and the blue Ventura 30 Champ as well as the drawing have a transversal cockpit coaming in front of the transom, which the post #1 boat seems to lack since the longitudinal cockpit coamings seem to run through until the transom there. Could this be a different deck mold, or a different boat altogether ?

    Also the shown example Ventura 30's and the drawing don't sport the in post #1 shown lazarette hatch, since this doesn't match with the athwartships aft cockpit coaming on the same spot.

    And the post #1 top of the rudder is a bit different, as is the top rudder-hull attachment and bearing, when compared to the red Ventura 30 I think.
     
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  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Seen the similarities and also the differences, the post #1 boat could be an older and/or a bit smaller type of the same brand or designer, I'll guess.

    From the info in post #5 I've tried to score some pictures of boats from the yard and the designer, the latter looks quite impressive . . :cool:


    It needs to be checked of course to which extent these findings are related to the post #1 boat, and the guessed boat in post #5.
     
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  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Here's a 25 m (82') LOA Cutter designed by Gerhard Gilgenast, built in 1986 by Amir Reinforced Plastics as a one-off in sandwich construction, rebuilt from top to bottom in 1992-1994 by Jongert in Holland, a while back she was for sale on the island of Palma de Mallorca in Spain, she's sold now.

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    that skeg style seems to be Gerhard's signature . . .

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