What Do We Think About Climate Change

Frosty,

Your post has actually hit on an important point that I've stated REPEATEDLY throughout this thread, but seems to get lost. The amount of CO2 we release is small enough to be within the error bars of the total amount of CO2 estimated to be in the atmosphere. (But that last little bit is all it takes )

I'm with you; How do they work out the '.7 bit' at the end of that 34.7

Jimbo

 

Brian,

Support your own in a non-ergodic world.

Read Fairbridge. http://www.griffith.edu.au/conference/ics2007/pdf/ICS176.pdf

Read Marohasy. http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/20...odels-our-world-is-one-of-novelty-and-change/

As a last resort, read these instructions and join me in Netanya next spring. It's great fun kicking the living daylights out of each other and banging off all over the place--------------------------------------------with M16s. http://www.krav-maga-uk.com/index.php?pid=10

PS, I couldn't do it if I still was eating this rubbish. http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/index.html

Regards,

Perry

 

You'll be most welcome. The apartment just in front my door is for sale. It's a full 180 sqm (livable) that can be yours for around 240.000 euros, or even less, if you press negotiation down!

Come home, my son!

 

Si Padre.

Is this the one? http://www.thinkspain.com/spanish-property/678041

Regards,

Perry

 

Oh Boy! On paper, this looks wonderful! http://www.thinkspain.com/spanish-property/147291

Perry

 

This one is even better:
http://sv.elmundo.es/sv/uploads/anu..._datos_inmueble_357654.html?camp=NestoriaAlfa
1000 sqm built, 9600 sqm land. A proper galician mansion in a not AGW land.

Cheers.

 

Wonderful! But, at €992,00 it's nearly 5 times the price ( €190,000) of this:
http://www.thinkspain.com/spanish-property/featured9970

Now, here is a project!! http://www.thinkspain.com/spanish-property/featured9964

Perry

 

Just another hint:
"Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors results in Alaska, elsewhere.
After years of decline, glaciers in Norway are again growing, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE). The actual magnitude of the growth, which appears to have begun over the last two years, has not yet been quantified, says NVE Senior Engineer Hallgeir Elvehøy.
The flow rate of many glaciers has also declined. Glacier flow ultimately acts to reduce accumulation, as the ice moves to lower, warmer elevations.
The original trend had been fairly rapid decline since the year 2000.
The developments were originally reported by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK).
DailyTech has previously reported on the growth in Alaskan glaciers, reversing a 250-year trend of loss. Some glaciers in Canada, California, and New Zealand are also growing, as the result of both colder temperatures and increased snowfall.
Ed Josberger, a glaciologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, says the growth is “a bit of an anomaly”, but not to be unexpected.
Despite the recent growth, most glaciers in the nation are still smaller than they were in 1982. However, Elvehøy says that the glaciers were even smaller during the ‘Medieval Warm Period’ of the Viking Era, prior to around the year 1350.
Not all Norwegian glaciers appear to be affected, most notably those in the Jotenheimen region of Southern Norway."


Boston,
One of the problems with your references is that none is from 2008.
Some AGWs are now saying temporary cooling was expectable as part of the global warming process, as they are in panic watching how their playing cards castle is falling down. They didn't say that last year.

You do not answer the two simple questions Jim have lately posed to you, but keep on posting once and again very long posts without any new info, just insisting in your already (and respectable, of course) known position. Why?


Perry,
very good the article on Rhodes Fairbridge, thanks.
Boston: please, read it.

From there:
"The solar inertial motion hypothesis predicts that the period from about 2010 to 2040 will be one of relatively severe cold throughout the world."

Cheers the cooliest brigade!

 

“The incoming National government in New Zealand will completely review the emissions trading scheme (ETS) - possibly including the science that says humans are to blame for climate change - as part of its support deal with ACT. A draft terms of reference for the review attached to the agreement, includes hearing “competing views on the scientific aspects of climate change” and looking at the merits of a “mitigation or adaptation approach”. The deal requires the National government to pass immediate legislation delaying the implementation of the ETS until the review is complete.”
–Grant Fleming, The New Zealand Herald, 16 November 2008. Reported in CCNet 166/2008 - 17 November 2008.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/New_Zealand_delays_emissions_trading_scheme

 

That's really great news!, Guillermo. That new president we have over here (you may have heard of him ) is turning out to be a pretty smart cookie. He's (wisely) backpedaled on just about every item on the hard-left wish list, using the context of the bad economy as license to say "we just can't afford that right now." Maybe he'll do the same with pending climate change legislation, too. At least now I have a little hope.

Jimbo

 

Just a bit curious.. do you have a coalplant and a Hummer or smth else

 

I hope he'll change for the good, Jim.
If he does, we can propose him to create a new world wide organization named NSSWCA (No Sun Spots Will Cool your ***) and name you, Perry and me to preside it. We can invite Boston as an opposing lecturer.

Cheers.

 

(11-18) 17:46 PST LOS ANGELES -- In his first speech on global warming since winning the election, President-elect Barack Obama promised Tuesday to set stringent limits on greenhouse gases, saying the need is too urgent for delay.
Many observers had expected Obama to avoid tackling such a complex, contentious issue early in his administration. But in videotaped comments to the Governors' Global Climate Summit in Beverly Hills on Tuesday, he called for immediate action.

"Now is the time to confront this challenge once and for all," Obama said. "Delay is no longer an option. Denial is no longer an acceptable response. The stakes are too high, the consequences too serious."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/19/MNBE146VPK.DTL


In New Zealand

"A week is all it has taken for John "Speedy" Key to stitch up deals with ACT, the Maori Party, and United Future, phone the Governor-General, and today announce his new Cabinet line- up."

"Key has cleverly side-stepped a couple of potential ACT landmines over climate change, law and order, and government spending by essentially promising swags of reviews."

"The suspension of the emissions trading scheme sounds impressive but in reality, since nothing except forestry enters the carbon-trading scheme until 2010 anyway, there is plenty of time for another review. And Key is not promising to turf out the scheme post-review. Quite the contrary; he has recommitted New Zealand to meeting its Kyoto Protocol responsibilities."
"Mr Key today played down the significance of the draft terms of reference for the review, saying they were a proposal from Act and the final terms would be altered after National input.
He said he personally believed human-induced climate change was real and it was still possible National would pass an amended ETS into law within the time-frame it had promised - which "broadly speaking" was the end of September next year."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/New_Zealand_delays_emissions_trading_scheme

 

What a pity! We'll not invite Obama as a member of the NSSWCA!

Now,
"Climate in the early Pleistocene varied with a period of 41 kyr and was related to variations in Earth's obliquity. About 900 kyr ago, variability increased and oscillated primarily at a period of 100 kyr, suggesting that the link was then with the eccentricity of Earth's orbit. This transition has often been attributed to a nonlinear response to small changes in external boundary conditions. Here we propose that increasing variablility within the past million years may indicate that the climate system was approaching a second climate bifurcation point, after which it would transition again to a new stable state characterized by permanent mid-latitude Northern Hemisphere glaciation. From this perspective the past million years can be viewed as a transient interval in the evolution of Earth's climate. We support our hypothesis using a coupled energy-balance/ice-sheet model, which furthermore predicts that the future transition would involve a large expansion of the Eurasian ice sheet. The process responsible for the abrupt change seems to be the albedo discontinuity at the snow–ice edge. The best-fit model run, which explains almost 60% of the variance in global ice volume during the past 400 kyr, predicts a rapid transition in the geologically near future to the proposed glacial state. Should it be attained, this state would be more 'symmetric' than the present climate, with comparable areas of ice/sea-ice cover in each hemisphere, and would represent the culmination of 50 million years of evolution from bipolar nonglacial climates to bipolar glacial climates."

Nature 456, 226-230 (13 November 2008)

Cheers.

 

But probably this is the real reason about Obama's love for the GW scheme (taken from the link bntii provided):

"It will ... help us transform our industries and steer our country out of this economic crisis by generating 5 million new green jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced"

Nothing to opose to that, as it will create jobs to many people in the USA (and in the first world, generally speaking) and cut the exterior oil dependancy, which is good. But this sounds close to what Perry and I debated earlier in this thread: AGW may be (or become) a new tool of imperialism, now tinted as eco-imperialism.

Cheers.