What Do We Think About Climate Change

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  1. hoytedow
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    So what you are saying is; the majority of European voters are lazy and want to live off other peoples' fat.

    Next you will put a punitive tax on sails so everyone will be fit from trying to row to America.
     
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    Yes and no. What I think is that European voter values security and predictability. This means social protection. European history taught them what happens when they overextend their ambitions. European live the" slow life" by choice , unfortunately this leads to cronic high unemployment.

    And be my guest tax sails. This will leed to more efficiency thru better design , materials and longevity.
    Perhaps since America is so far overextended they to will take a lesson from the history books .
     
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    agreed America is waaaaaaaaaay over extended
    13 point something trillion worth of overextended
    we owe most of it to some shady group called the fed and I say if they want to get paid they can just step forward and identify themselves

    as far as additional tax is concerned I'd like to firstly know what exactly happened with my last whopping bill. Something tells me I wont get a full accounting but something also tells me they dont deserve what they're getting let alone that they might deserve any more.

    My take on the gov. intervention in slowing the CO2 crisis would be to keep them out of it completely and things will get done a lot more efficiently. Feel free to point to a singe gov agency that is operating at anything resembling efficient levels.

    the correct response of gov to the economic times would be for it to tighten its belt like everyone else

    unfortunately this is not the exact article I was looking for but still it paints the picture
    http://nofluer.newsvine.com/_news/2...f-stimulus-zero-from-sf-federal-reserve-study

    had they spent that money on developing biz involved in alternative energy like algae based bio diesel or really just about anything else but squandering it the way they did we would be far better off

    makes sense to me to cut gov. income by 1/3 ( tax breaks to under 100,000 crowd ) immediately and payable's by 1/2, loose the pork a shrink the feds down to a manageable size

    That would both help the economy and encourage less waste where it occurs most. At the gov. level.

    They could also ban the import of middle east oil which would stimulate the development of alternative fuels as well

    ok that was ranting
    my bad
    B
     
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    Actually, such an abrupt and drastic action would directly throw thousands upon thousands of government employees out of work, and the inability of the government to even pay its bills would wipe out many more thousands of jobs. The effects of the loss of spending power by all those people suddenly thrown out of work would ripple throughout the country, and companies facing the sudden loss of customers would have to lay off even more thousands of people, etc....

    I can't imagine why you think all that would be good for the economy...;)
     
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    back in the crash of 1917/18 it worked just fine
    problem is no one pays attention to history anymore

    if we reduce gov blood sucking by 1/3 and cut expenses by 1/2 then the gov becomes more solvent rather than less. Most gov workers are lazy jerks anyway and dont actually produce anything so in my solution the job losses are focused on the least productive members of society
     
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    Its not just America that is overextended...the whole western industrialized world is overextended. It will take good diplomacy, good coordination , good leaders and a good economic ideas to walk away from this mess.
     
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    all of which are sorely lacking
     
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    a point that is overlooked is that the time is coming when work will be more and more automated and actual employees will be reduced

    i see a time when the gov will have to be the employer of many people

    just look at auto manufacturing over the last 3 decades
     
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    This is my observation when looking at American politics. No power, no third way, no roadmap out of trouble... The Tea Party ??? I see no new ideas...no strong leadership . Perhaps this is just how democracy works ? ...perhaps hidden under the talk show trash is a bright leader with good ideas and a poweful forward thinking thought process. ? Lets hope.
     
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    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    Benjamin Franklin
     
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    ben franklin lived in another world
     
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    :?::?::?:
     
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    ?????
     

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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Nuts.

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    Nueces.
     
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