What Do We Think About Climate Change

Thanks Boston, eloquently put - sadly, another thread "gone seriously honest now", but all for the better I hope?

 

a few Jellystone pictures from last years fall trip



this Griz found me standing in a river smelling like fish ( fly fishing )
thought he'd follow me for a while
he was less than ten meters away when I took this shot



He was actually pretty timid about it
and kept hiding behind stuff that was way to small



I was a little nervous but he seemed to be behaving himself
so I just cautiously made my way back to the car



nothing quite like the park
if Im lucky
Ill be heading back next week end for a few fall shots



course I do have a ditch to finish myself so till next time
B

 

Nice pics, but that bruin would scare the s out of me - lots tooooo big to meet one on one......

 

little old lady with a can of rocks

I wouldn't say you get used to them
but you do learn there posturing
long as you dont surprise them
your fine
little old lady shaking a few rocks in a can is enough to scare em off
usually
I did stumble onto a den while I was hiking round last month
now that! could have gone badly
I skedaddled outa that one pretty fast
Godzilla coulda come out of that hole

 

just hitting 2 rocks together will make em run,, or bark like a dog,,, ive used both,,hehe
Mornin Mas. evenin Bos.

 

never wake the sleeping giant



the Bear was not getting aggressive so I thought Ild just do likewise and head for the car



its when you bump into a cub like this that I get nervous

mama bear is never far



and here she is
she actually had two cubs

 

Also a "no-brainer" that the biggest variable is the one causing the biggest change in the system's output. Since natural CO2 is quite variable and much larger than anthropogenic CO2 (the mere fluctuations in natural CO2 sources are larger than anthropogenic CO2-but you already know this), it follows that natural CO2 would be responsible for virtually all of that portion of the greenhouse effect that can be attributed to CO2.Our CO2 output is 'in the noise' of the measurements.



Nice bear pics, BTW. I don't know if you've been following the saga of the newly aggressive bears, but everywhere that there are bears that come into proximity with humans, the number of bear attacks has been on the rise recently. Habitat encroachment, hand-feeding and general sloppiness with food waste are said to be likely causes.
In a neighborhood near me (Wekiva Springs), bears roam frequently through the streets upturning garbage cans looking for a good meal to scavenge. A lot of the residents think it's kinda cute and trail along with a dig cam to take pics of the bear. My friend over there showed me the pics she took and I must say I was alarmed at how close she got to the bear. People sometimes forget that they are big, strong and wild.

Jimbo

 

then the F'n idiots will cry when it kills one of em,,,,then want the bear killed,, thinkin its the bears fault,,,,dumb@sses!

 

SO true, so true.

http://tinyurl.com/52mzga

 

Bit of a milestone in this debate:

Now that you are arguing for the existence of the 'greenhouse effect', caused by atmospheric C02 will you concede the following:

That any increase in atmospheric C02 which is caused by mans activities will contribute to the 'greenhouse effect'.

 

Here ya go, pal:

On the subject of secret corrections to the satellite data:

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/07/an-interesting-.html

From the article:

"The fact is that not only is NOAA getting this correction wrong, but it probably has the SIGN wrong. The NOAA has never conducted the site by site survey that we discussed above. Their statement that locations are improving is basically a leap of faith, rather than a fact-based conclusion. In fact, NOAA scientists who believe that global warming is a problem tend to overlay this bias on the correction process. Note the quote above -- temperatures that don't increase as they expect are treated as an error to be corrected, rather than a measurement that disputes their hypothesis."

From a follow-up article:

"For years, Hansen's group at GISS, as well as other leading climate scientists such as Mann and Briffa (creators of historical temperature reconstructions) have flaunted the rules of science by holding the details of their methodologies and algorithm's secret, making full scrutiny impossible. The best possible outcome of this incident will be if new pressure is brought to bear on these scientists to stop saying "trust me" and open their work to their peers for review. This is particularly important for activities such as Hansen's temperature data base at GISS. "

The original source material is linked at the articles for your perusal.

Boston, you must face the fact that YOU are the one who through constantly peppering your posts with snide, elitist insults has made the temperature go up in the room. Hey, I can play as mean-or as nice- as you. But I prefer to be nice

Jimbo

 

there was a rogue bear in the park while I was there last
it pulled a camper out of her car and mauled the crap out of her
think she died
and then tore through some tents
chased some campers the night before
they evacuated the camp ground
next night
he attacked a bear researcher sleeping in his car
guy was stuck in his sleeping bag temporarily while the bear was jumping up and down on his windshield trying to cave it in
he finally woke up enough to get out of his bag, was able to start the car and drive off
but that bear that was really unusual
somewhere he learned to associate cars, campers and food
they caught that one and shipped him off to Oregon I think, some university agreed to take him

so the day after they catch him
a Griz comes sniffing round our tent bout four in the morning
we woke up to our camp mates yelling at us to stay in the tent and banging anything that makes noise
was the girls first close call with a Griz
she was perfect
didnt make a peep
dont scare him

Ive been hiking (sometimes alone) in Griz central for about fifteen years now
helps if you know the bears and what kinda things set em off
but there will always be the one bear that didnt read the play book
Ive pretty much seen it all except a mock charge
and I never want to have to deal with that one
you cant run
cant turn away
and can only back off slowly once the bear either veers off, stops in front of you, or my favorite, bowls you over
not the best group of options Ive ever been given
and that is assuming he doesn't stick around and demolish you


( I was less than two meters away from this bear and just happened to have my camera in hand. Its kinda a crappy picture cause I didnt exactly hang out once he came out of the bushes. she ignored us completely and just kinda lined up for better eating )

this black bear tends to hang out in the tower falls camp, is about as friendly as it gets and is very well behaved towards the campers
I almost tripped over her and she didnt even flinch
I wouldn't have gotten away with that had it been any other bear
hell I was involved in a conversation walking the up road when this huge head popped up out of the bushes
conversation is key in bear country but I guess this guy wasnt listening
most of the time a normal tone of conversation will alert a bear several hundred feet away



once I had gotten across the road and up the hill some, I turned to take some more picts

last few years Ive had more close calls than Ive ever had in the previous fifteen, here's a shot of that little Griz cub again. The little spud kept walking towards me as I kept walking backwards wondering were his mom was
I must have twenty pictures of him



was hiking down to the Fire Hole River to do some fishing when I found this guy laying in the grass



I got hundreds of pictures so I better just call it at that

 

You should have added this phrase: "in direct proportion to the amount of CO2 being added to the total", and this would sum up my position entirely.

This is what AGW skeptics have said all along. Of course there's a greenhouse effect and CO2 contributes to it. But the CO2 portion of the total greenhouse effect is tiny, and anthropogenic CO2 is only a tiny bit of atmospheric CO2. So man's contribution is truly negligible, unmeasureably small. Go back and look at the original thread on the subject where I posted all the charts and graphs.

Maybe you don't understand what the AGW crowd is actually postulating, which could be summed up more like:

"CO2 is a key climate regulator, inasmuch as only tiny changes in its concentration in the atmosphere make huge disproportionate changes in the greenhouse effect and therefore the temperature, far in excess of the change expected when only the intrinsic greenhouse potential of CO2 is considered."

AGW skeptics take exception to this idea and furthermore there really is no evidence in the climatological record to underpin the idea either.

Jimbo

 

I'll re-post it for you:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=112795&postcount=241

Jimbo

 

Yeah just like any money invested in a stock will contribute to the underlying trend... but it will not alter the underlying trend until it becomes a significant percentage of the capital flows. If we are a minor percentage we will not be able to control the system unless the system was in perfect balance to begin with. We know that is not the case, if it where so long term climate changes would not exist... this is a dynamic system in which we are a minor factor.

All this BS is keeping us from focusing on the main issue... we are about to run head long into a liquid fuel crisis... it will lead to us reducing carbon outputs regardless... it will lead to a dramatic change in our lifestyles... it will markedly impact our economies... shortage will kill people for various reasons and it will likely lead to resource war. Our oil supply situation is a **** fight beyond anything you hear or read in the media or probably can imagine. The situation will make itself felt in the next 12 to 18 months with crisis likely in the next three maybe five years. We are totally unprepared, totally addicted, totally dependant.... load this on top of aging population issue's & commitments and the massive debt hole that the US is in and adding to at a rapid rate with all these bailouts and you are looking at a very dire outlook for at least the next decade. This is one pooh storm developing, in a few years you will be hard pushed to find anyone who will give a hoot about "man made climate change", they will be far more concerned about immediate concerns of keeping body ans soul together.

Today you'll probably call me crazy.... just remember these words in a few years. Your world is on the eve on monumental change in many regards, lets hope we don't pull nuke's out over any disagreements that are bound to occur over oil supply.