What Do We Think About Climate Change

most that I have heard ( the talking heads on the right ) deny even change and take to view that people haven't the ability affect climate change

remember barton and chu?

that is the caliber of people leading the charge of deniers

 

Wha chu talki nab out?

 

http://www.youtubevideos1.com/sec-chu-explains-plate-tectonics-to-rep-joe-barton-r-tx/

barton bragged about how he stumped chu

 

Not that I am a Joe Barton supporter... but, it is just more evidence of your ignorance (or at least selective hearing/reading)

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) chimed in with his own analysis: "Adapting is a common natural way for people to adapt to their environment ... I believe that the earth's climate is changing, but I think it's changing for natural variation reasons," he said. "And I think mankind has been adopting, or adapting to climate as long as man has walked the earth. When it rains, we find shelter. When it's hot, we get shade. When it's cold, we find a warm place to stay."

With that said.... are there a plethora of inarticulate and ignorant ignoramuses on the right? Abso^%$*inglutely, almost as many as there are on the left (or any other metric if you are in a different country). I don't expect the "average jane or joe" to be very articulate or well informed on every issue and be able to speak on a level playing field as a PHD in their area of expertise. But the patronizing is ridiculous.

Joe Barton is clearly not a scientist. But neither is Barbara Boxer, or Henry Waxman, and whomever else.

Again, I know it may be hard for you to not reduce everything down to a bumpersticker sized slogan, and it is a lot easier to just make fun little jabs like you might make with your like-minded friends. But it does nothing to advance your argument. All it says is that you have no substantive way to counter your adversaries claims, that you are unable to consider anything outside your own orthodoxy and your only recourse is to caricature.

In summation "even Joe Barton" does not argue that the climate is invariant, in fact he argues against that idea. I am not sure anyone would consider Joe Barton a leader on this issue... he had his 15 minutes of fame, sure, but next.

And again, not meant to mean I endorse any of these people... but among the "talking heads", who are you talking about? Hugh Hewitt? Rush Limbaugh? Glen Beck? O'Reilly? etc... But I am not aware of any of them saying that the climate is unchangeable, nor that humans can't effect it, just that the CO2 issue is inflated and/or bogus.

I'd be happy to be countered on that, but even if they held some strange religious conviction I am not sure how that would relate to the majority of AGW skeptics.

 

Again not to support Barton.

But... what about his video is he wrong about?



The oil was not piped up there, ie, it naturally occurred in situ. (meant to be humorous to make a point)... check.

Alaska and the "North Pole" were at one time warmer.... check. (actually many times)


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I don't think Barton was arguing against plate tectonics, or that he was suddenly made aware of them, I think he got cut short by his time limit. But I think the logical next step that he was trying to get Chu to admit to, is that the earth has been both warmer and cooler in the near and distant past. And that the presence of oil (biomass), is not just a result of continental drift but also of naturally occurring cyclical and irregular climate patterns.

 

The only one here looking somewhat dense it is you . Why do you suppose I complained to Jeff? I did NOT.

But I am most happy to find that conversation now in this thread is more focused in science and not in political ranting. A great relief.

 

Australia was once polar, but this thread makes me bi-polar.

 

Prove it.

 

Ditto.

 

what is so sacrosanct about co2 that it shouldn't be curbed?

the world didn't come to an end when freon was reduced and I doubt the world will end when co2 is reduced

 

"what is so sacrosanct about co2 that it shouldn't be curbed?
the world didn't come to an end when freon was reduced and I doubt the world will end when co2 is reduced"

It feeds the plants and makes life on Earth as we know it possible.

 

water is necessary for life too but you can still drown in it

 

And I need it for my soda pop.

 

you can drown in enough of that

in the er they don't slap a co2 mask on you

 

How about this one?

What is so bad about CO2...?