What Do We Think About Climate Change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yLqxfO-v8c

 

You might say that, but it makes no sense. 2,000% is a fancy way of saying 20 times higher. The last time CO2 was twenty times higher than today was 500 million years ago--when there were no land-based plants or animals for CO2 levels to have any 'ill effect' on.

The planet is going to do just fine if CO2 levels increase; it isn't going anywhere. But elevated levels of CO2 may not be good for the creatures on its surface today (including humans), who have evolved in an environment with lower levels.

What's wrong with that quote? It makes perfect sense to me. You should commend him for being able to differentiate between what he thinks, and what he has scientifically demonstrated to this point.

Are you saying the man isn't entitled to an opinion, until he has conclusively proven the connection? That seems a little unreasonable-- particularly since you would (and will) reject any proof he ever comes up with, anyway.

 

It hasn't been scientifically demonstrated that this is related to global warming either, but it shows how pointless it is for people to say there's no global warming because their particular area has had a cool summer:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38741347/ns/us_news-environment/

It's happening in the ******* Sea. I don't know why the name keeps coming up in asterisks. Let's try it this way: A-n-d-a-m-a-n Sea. Sheesh... do we have a rogue profanity filter on this site?

 

"potentially bleached by global warming" is just another way to say you don't have any proof that it is caused by global warming, again. Coral bleaching occurs for other reasons.

 

could one of those ways be warming caused by human activity?

 

2 other causes of coral bleaching:
Vibrio shiloi infection.
Chemical runoff.

 

you guys are pathetic with the denial

of course its caused by the recent upswing in temps which can be shown to have occurred in lock step with increases in co2 that can be directly linked to human pollution
definitive proof
maybe not
but in one of my last posts it was pointed out that the likelihood that this is coincidence is about one in a billion

 

No one has said it's conclusively caused by global warming; that's why they used the word 'potentially.'

However, there seems to be no doubt whatsoever that the sea temperatures are much higher than normal there, whatever the cause.

I believe Marco was the one who said the cool summer where he lives is all the proof he needs that there is no global warming. If I thought like him, this would be all the proof I need that it is happening.

 

coral reefs damaged by Indonesian pollution:
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=12722&size=A

"Coral reefs survive tsunami, endangered by pollution
One of the most picturesque marine areas along Indonesia’s coastline could disappear as a result of indiscriminate fishing and pollution. An environmentalist with the country’s Wildlife Conservation Society calls for greater co-ordination between national and local authorities and tighter enforcement of conservation policies."

 

or maybe its the ocean being
what did it say
7º higher in temperature than normal

 

From the same article I quoted above:

 

Then prove it.

 

Your point being?

 

My point being that your post was irrelevant; the corals have actually been recovering in much of this area for years, due to better management of pollution and overfishing.

t's extremely unlikely that a fast-occurring bleaching event of this magnitude, off the coasts of Myanmar, Thailand, the A-n-d-a-m-a-n Islands, Nicobar Islands and northwestern Indonesia, suddenly happened because of pollution. When you look at the unusually high sea temperatures, it seems reasonable that the connection is there--regardless of the ultimate cause of those high temperatures.

 

You still haven't proven your case.

http://www.kmb-sulsel.net/index.php...cemaran&catid=34:articles-category&Itemid=124

"Marine pollution in Indonesia still high
Friday, 28 May 2010 Rison .Source: Antara
Pollution levels in the Indonesian marine environment are still high, which is evident, among others, by the occurrence of eutrophication or increase total nutrients caused by pollutants.


“These excessive nutrients generally come from industrial and domestic waste (e.g. detergents), and agriculture in river catchment areas, “said the head of the Center for Data and Information at the Ministry of Marine Affairs and Fisheries (PUSDATIN KKP), Soen`an H. Poernomo, in a press release in Padang, Sunday (16/5)."