What Do We Think About Climate Change

"would not allow windmills in backyards" -Why? Because they are ugly, noisy, or always broken?

 

I think that Wood just said that the last eight years are not statistically significant. Tuesday, when he can get help from somebody at his school, is seeming SO far off... hang in there Wood. You can muddle thru and pretend to know of which you speak! G'nite

 

Yep, that's what alanrockwood said (who is this guy "Wood" you keep refering to?); the fluctuations in the time series data over the last eight years, when taken in the context of the longer term trend and the general variability of the data over that time, is not statistically significant.

 

The following figure shows the HadCRU temperature data indicating the well known 60-year global temperatures cycle superimposed on the global warming trend coming out from the LIA. The red line shows the 0.74 degrees per century, while the green line shows the 1.28 degrees per century. The linear warming trend shown when accounting for the cycle is actually about 0.3-0.4 degrees per century as shown by the blue line on the figure based on the trend in the peaks of the 60-year cycle. The warmest year globally was 1998 – since then there has been no warming, no acceleration.

 

So are we off windmills now because it is blatantly clear Denmark has achieve nothing else than propaganda for their own industry, Vesta, at great state expense and with an environmental cost paralell to none.

If someone presents windmills and Denish windmills in particular as en example to follow I find it fair that I reply with and answer that contains the truth of the matter and not some mythical green BS.

 

So let me see if I understand your point. Are you saying that the opinion of a few Danes that you have found that support your point of view provides a representative view of the overall public opinion in Denmark?

 

Where did your figure come from? I went to the HadCRU link you supplied, and so far I did not see anything resembling the figure you posted.

 

Can you replay to the points made in the article and perhaps suggest why should the US or Australia follow in that line of destruction in order to benefit Vesta?
Are you Denish?

 

You are making broad claims here, and earlier, without supplying proper documentation. (For example, op ed pieces containing no references to sources of information published by people such as that professor of law in Ontario that do not count as proper documentation, nor do pieces by wild eyed persons making claims such as 39% increases in Danish CO2 emission in a single year have any credibility.)

 

Huh? What are you saying?

 

Denish cusine is the best in scandinavia

good breakfast better lunch and dinner]


Beer Meat Loaf - Kødrulle I Øl
Serves 4

* 2 pounds lean pork
* 1 pound smoked ham hocks
* 1½ cups dry bread crumbs
* 2 eggs -- beaten
* 1 teaspoon salt
* ¼ teaspoon white pepper
* Beer

Have your butcher grind the pork and ham together.

Mix well with the cracker crumbs, eggs, salt and pepper. Form into a loaf. Roll in cheesecloth and tie the ends securely.

Place in a kettle and add sufficient beer to cover the loaf. Simmer slowly for 2¼ hours.

Very good served on thin-sliced open-faced sandwiches. Or serve with cole slaw, your favorite sharp cheese, pickled beets and potato salad.

 

Relating to my earlier comment about the source of your figure, I think I found something, but it is not actually the figure you posted. What you posted was a figure from the web site, but with a 60-year temperature cycle posted on it. (I acknowledge that you mentioned the superposition in your post.)

I am posting the original unaltered figure for reference. To my eye there is no evidence of a 60 year cycle in the data. With respect to the alleged 60 year cycle, have you or someone else done a Fourier analyis on the data to verify that there is actually a 60 year cycle in the data?

 

Sounds good, but is there a version without the beer and crackers?... (diet restrictions within the family.)

I haven't sampled Danish cooking, but I have had a fair bit of Swedish cooking in my travels and have found it to be quite good on the whole, especially the breakfast buffet at the Swedish hotels.

 

might not be so far from the truth as you may think

given that co2 and temp have moved in lockstep for the last 800,000 years and likely a lot longer then it stands to reason that it will continue doing so for the foreseeable future. Once again you are forgetting the permeability issue in the ice core data and also that the whole point of the conversation is that we have deviated from the natural cycle by radically increasing co2 through the burning of fossil fuels. So suggesting that something has always occurred in the past when its the present alterations in atmospheric chemistry that are the issue is kinda obviously ignoring the present conditions and how they might effect the system.

the whole point of the issue is that in order for an equilibrium to be reached between co2 and temp the temp does have to rise to match the increased levels of co2
which is exactly what is being measured and depicted in the graphs presented

by the way those graphs are a compilation of thousands of data points which all averaged out serve to eliminate as much error as possible
then they are corroborated through other measurement techniques as well, reviewed by countless scientists and then there work is again checked by countless more
not saying its fool proof but if you go back and actually check the predictions of the early IPCC you will find that they were conservative to right on in nearly all regards
kinda hard to do if your playing with data that is all that faulty wouldn't you think

cheers
B

 

Beer meat loaf with NO beer nor cracker? Now you are spoiling it again. That is like wikipedia without global warming...empty pages!!

So you are not Denish...so I can keep on busting their accomplishments? If you are, just say so and I switch to Norwegians.
I do not discriminate, honest.