What Do We Think About Climate Change

Don't think for one's self unless that one is you.

 

sorry but that last makes no sense at all Hoyt
care to elaborate

 

Mark,

You have made a long and emotional rant against PhDs. Comments like "PhD means "couldn't get a job" and "only qualified to teach"" and "...spent so much time in school that they have no connection with the real world, never held a job, had a family, had a car payment that their mommy didn't cover," show that you understand little or nothing about the process of earning a PhD degree, or what it means to have a PhD, or the relationship between a PhD and a career. In fact, based on your post I don't think you know the relationship between a PhD and anything else.

I personally don't know anyone who became a PhD without some kind of work experience either before or during their graduate work (usually both), and I doubt if many of them had their mommies pay their car payments... none that I know of. As for me, my employment experience started at age 14 when I had a paper route. I have done my share of low end and other work, stuff like picking cherries when I was in junior high, washing dishes when I was in high school, stringing tennis rackets when I was in high school and college, working in a fruit packing operation when I was out of high school, working as a construction clean up person when I was out of high school, door to door sales when I was in college, working on a grounds crew when I was in college, transferring information to computer sheets when I was in college, working as assistant manager of a movie theater when I was in college, working in a scrap metal operation when I was in graduate school, working in a filling station when I was in graduate school, working as a teaching assistant when I was in graduate school, working as a research assistant when I was in graduate school. Even after I finished graduate school I spent some time digging ditches before I got a better job. I really don't think I am all that unusual among PhDs. So, don't you go spreading around your stupid statements about the lack of work or life experience of PhDs.

As to your comment about throwing my title around, for your information I first posted my credentials in this thread (post 5511) in response to a specific challenge from hoytedow that I post my credentials (post 5506). I posted my credentials again when I presented a kinetic analysis of mass transfer in a two compartment system, and I did that to establish that I am knowledgeable on the topic I was posting on. Furthermore, I specifically stated that you do not need to take my word on the analysis, but that you could consult professors in physical chemistry or chemical engineering to see if what I wrote was correct.

 

I don't know about you, but I would avoid peeing into the boot to begin with.

 

figures.

 

He who has enough sense to pour pee out of a boot also has the sense not to pour pee into the boot to begin with, so congratulations to you. You may now climb out of the sack and get away from the other doorknobs.

 

Thank you. Do I get a diploma for graduating from doorknob school?

 

You're rewriting history to suit yourself, Boston. And you're getting pretty whack.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima were hardly refugee camps; they were legitimate military targets.

To be specific, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping.

Nagasaki was a center of heavy industry. Its main industry was ship-building, with the dockyards under control of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries being one of the prime contractors for the Imperial Japanese Navy, and with Nagasaki harbor used as an anchorage under the control of nearby Sasebo Naval District.

And claiming that almost every city and town besides those two had already been turned to ashes is complete BS, too. If you had ever been to Japan, you might have noticed that the towns and cities date back a lot farther than 1945....

Yes, Japan took a lot of damage. No, we didn't carpet bomb the entire friggen country. Stop getting carried away.

 

as you can see Allan the level of conversation is simply not up to the purported "scientific debate" pretended by the deniers camp. Essentially anything to distract or denigrate the opinions of what they must perceive as the educated class. Its a typical response of frustration by people who do not comprehend the subject mater and can be seen throughout the educational process. Not sure what your teaching experience might be but I've seen it over and over again, unsavory as it is, its common, typically reserved for children but sometimes evident in adults as well, particularly in the self employed.

as far as the so called inalienable freedoms of this country goes I think those have been pretty well usurped by our beloved previous administration



if this isnt evidence of that basic lack of respect the public gets from politicians then I'd have to ask for another definition of lack of respect

a simple logic path proves my point about the desperate need of a revolution in this country

in China one may not speak out against the government
in Russia one may not speak out against the government
in Cuba one may not speak out against the government
and are you suggesting Mark that now in American one may not speak out against the government ?

 

I was thinking specifically of Mark's post, Hoyte. I should probably have referenced it.

Judging by that and some of his other posts, Mark seems to have a heavy streak of irrational populism -- expressed as resentment against intellectuals, academics and other so-called "elites" -- mixed into his politics.

 

I am generalizing, of course but the important thing is not that I "don't... know the relationship between a PhD and anything else", but that, in general, PhD's don't. You strung a tennis racket and are still "picking cherries" good for you. You absolutely DO NOT GET IT. The mere fact that you are debating from a pro-AGW position states that you have no point of reference in reality. This AGW "science" **** is done, gone, kaputt and the power grab that is AGW has been set back so far that it will be some time before the government can manufacture a new crises. They may push this thru, and there are still some hold-outs (I cannot believe the Brits are entertaining another F'ing progressive for PM. I have to wonder about our overseas brethren...Churchill saves the world - so they give the post-war job to Chamberlain. Thatcher saved England from it's psychology of decline and they devolve to Brown, now likely Clegg.) but America, at least, is awakening and linking AGW to liberal fascist power grabs. More Americans now laugh at AGW than are willing to sell us down the road for its dubious threat.

Top Scientists Warn: Sea Gods Angry
(response to CNN "science" "writer" Alan Weisman examining the Icelandic volcano eruption and deducing the cause: an angry Gaia striking back at us carbon sinners http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/23/weisman.volcano.iceland.earth/index.html?hpt=C2 - from Ed Driscoll, http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/ )


Washington, DC - Pointing to the devastating weekend Indian Ocean tsunami that left over 24,000 dead, an international blue ribbon committee of climatologists and ecoscientists today issued a stark warning that man-made pollutants have increasingly "make water spirits angry."

The blunt conclusion prefaced a 2300 page meta-analysis of hundreds of scientific studies and computer models detailing links between human industrial activity and wrathful eco-deities. Entitled "Fire Bad: Fire Very Bad," the report warns that the planet faces additional catastrophies unless drastic regulatory action is taken to appease Earthen-furies.

"Unclean money devils anger sacred water spirit Tai-Waku," explained Martin Knudson of Scripps Oceanic Institute. "He now call angry to son the whale, 'make slap with anger-tails! Bring vengeance-surf to villagers!'"

While most empirical evidence supports the theory of wrathful whale-tail slappings, some scientists are exploring alternative hypotheses for the weekend tsunami. Ecobiologist Jane Geary of UC Santa Cruz points to mounting evidence that the ocean spirit-world may have been driven to gastrointestinal rage by gas-guzzling SUVs.

"Thunder-wagon make smoke cloud of greenhouse gas," explained Geary. "hungry Tai-Waku eat smoke from thunder-wagon, pass giant wind with mighty fury."

Peter Novak, chief science officer of the Sierra Club, dismissed Geary's "Divine Fart" theory, arguing it was more likely that SUVs had triggered the tsunami via a spirit underword sexual encounter.

"Wheels of thunder-wagons wake up Big Earth Spirit-Mother, make to crazy tingle in hairy child-place. She now go to water lair of Tai-Waku, make big angry love on tectonic plate," said Novak. "Big Earth Spirit-Mother say, 'if ocean rocking, don't come a-knocking.'"

Although they disagree on the precise causes of the wrathful spirit world, scientists were largely unanimous in recommending immediate global regulatory action. Remedial steps suggested in the report include ratification of the Kyoto treaty, elimination of automobiles, volcanic altars for virgin sacrifices, creation of a sustainable urine-based economy, and improved faculty dental benefits.

"If not act now, it too late," said report editor Paul Erlich of Stanford University.

Erlich, whose 1978 best seller "Ice Time Come Soon" is widely credited with saving millions of lives by warning of the massive age of glaciation that threatened Earth during the 1980s, said inaction might anger the spirit world further.

"Me not know when Tai-Waku make wrath again," said Erlich. "Me need more grant money."

 

****, Troy and I agreed on something. Hallelujah, brothers!

 

Bound to happen eventually, Mark. We both talk a lot.

 

OK, agreement time is over. I think Alan very definitely qualifies as a legitimate scientist, Mark. So apparently you're saying all the thousands of scientists in the world who believe AGW is real aren't just wrong....they're disconnected from reality, because they don't agree with your scientific beliefs. That's a pretty breathtaking claim, my friend.

The word chutzpah comes to mind...along with arrogance and ignorance, of course; the two often go hand-in-hand. You're certainly bolstering my earlier comments about your hostile attitude towards anyone who might be better educated or more informed than you.

But for the love of Mike: if you insist on going on going off into these rants, could you at least learn the difference between a fascist and a liberal first? People who are so ill-informed they don't know the difference between Nazis, fascists, communists, socialists, liberals, moderates and libertarians should really shut up and read a book. Have a nice cup of tea while you're at it; maybe it'll calm you down.

 

Not because they don't agree with me, Troy. Because they believe in "consensus science", because they think the stakes are so large that it's worth doctoring the books - Not all of them, mind you. Some are simply going along with the flow because they don't want to look dumb. The real test of character will be how they present themselves as the story unfolds that GW isn't A (if, by some freak accident, that were to happen!), because THEY tend to be the ones with Chutzpah. No, many people are better educated than I and many, many have more education than I (although some of the smartest people I know have not much formal education). I know plenty of advanced degrees and my first ex has her Psy.D. she needed to get her head out of her...clouds. I paid for that (****, now I AM in a bad mood)