What Do We Think About Climate Change

"I do not like the idea of funding them with tax money though"
Bos, Then... to what end? You find a way, contrary to common sense, to prove that man caused the Earth to warm up a degree. Everything is greener, there are more crops in more fields and, suredly, some negatives, as well. So...for the union guy, I get it - just make everybody else pay as "my job is secure". But to you, personally, how do you feel about being forced onto Metro to get to your "green job", your wooden boat is deemed an extravagance and danger to forest creatures and confiscated for George Soros and Barack Obama "diplomatic, state entertainment" purposes (well, they can't just burn it!), everyone is so F'ing angry at the huge tax burden that guns are banned, electricity is almost out of reach until we "one day" get fission (Barack Obama will fully fill the role of "Carter Two" in his cable knit sweater, telling us, not suggesting, to turn down the thermostat to 68°) people get arrested for burning their porches to keep warm, a black market for charcoal (yes, like in Africa) springs up, causing particulate pollution (ever notice how hot plastics burn?), your pick-up is parked, forever, every product, every-where, is more expensive, a VAT is instituted...not to replace income tax but to suppliment it, everyone has fewer choices and is poorer in every way other than that they feel good about themselves.
Meanwhile, burgeoning economies pass the tipping point of self-sustainability. China, Russia, Iran and India rule the world with their oil and riches. The US and European Union, weakened from the domino effect of bailing out failing countries (start with Greece, move to Portugal, F*FWD to everybody else in the West) and self-imposed taxation of energy (Western society LIFEBLOOD), can no longer keep Putin and Chavez in check (we long ago unilaterally dismantled our arsenal to set a good example for the mid-east - right before Iran wiped Isreal off the face of the map with one Russian missile).
I could go on about the monetary implications of this but right now, I just see red. I see bankruptcy. Please, Bos, don't be an useful idiot to this cause. Think about the associated costs of the ends and weigh them against the other things we could with that money, the good we could do.
Carbon emissions are controlled through taxation!

 

Ahem. Excuse me, Mark, but your right-wing paranoia is showing. George Soros and Barack Obama are not going to confiscate Boston's boat; honest they aren't. Nor are Chavez and his Spanish-speaking Red Horde going to come pouring across the Rio Grande....

While we're at it, I suppose I might as well point out that Russian surface-to-air missiles can't carry nuclear warheads, and wouldn't reach Israel from Iran anyway....

 

To the combined out put of all the billions of internal combustion engines on the planet . all cars , trucks trains . airplanes, ships etc etc, we can add the output of the blast furnaces that make the metal that they are made out of , which go thru mountains of coal,

 

So yet again we see that the very first obstacle to showing that anthropogenic emissions are responsible for anything but a negligible effect on climate has yet to be conquered:

Show that recent climate is anomalous.

'The Team' very cleverly attempted to re-write climatic history to show an unnaturally stable climate stretching back thousand of years with a sudden warming upon the arrival of anthropogenic emissions. But the re-write is transparently false. The thousands of proxy reconstructions and hundreds of studies before the works of 'The Team' came along clearly show recent climate is well within the scope of natural variation. As the AAPG statement goes on to say, even the median IPCC projections are within that scope. The null hypothesis is therefore not one of anthropogenic attribution but of natural variation. There is nothing at all unusual going on with the earth's climate.

Jimbo

 

What Mark said.

 

Please be prepared to eat these words, because they will come back to haunt you.

 

Yeah, mostly Chinese coal.

 

A
a carbon tax is about the lamest political response they could think of to make money off an environmental mess

B
co2 pollution is not the cause of all evils on the planet

C
nothing is greener and if anything we are loosing farmland faster than ever due to a variety of reasons

D
every other business that produces harmfulness waste is required to clean up there mess why not these guys

E
Guillermo is always wrong

F
no amount of fear mongering over an already screwed up economy can possibly invent co2 as the boogie man of all evils
its the politicians who are directly responsible for selling out there own country and they who should answer for there crimes

revolution and environmental responsibility might just end up going hand in hand

oh
and if I had my way the boat would run on steam
burning wood pellets or just wood its carbon neutral

your right about a lot of stuff Mark but way wrong on the co2 thing
the energy industry needs to take responsibility for its actions just like everyone else

cheers
B

 

Burning coal helps Appalachia and other places that have it laying around or lying about depending on your colloquial speech.

 

actually there are a number of groups in the Appalachians that are trying to get the mining industry for coal out of the area
that coal is really high in sulfur and they strip mine it to boot

there are easier and cleaner sources of coal
although coal is the worst fuel of all in terms of its co2 content

cheers
B

 

Mine is a coal miner family.

 

evolution will prevail
people who once made horse carriages now make cars
before long they will be making something else

I was once a custom home builder
I am now having to find a way to survive until I can come up with a new career
although I would not wish this on anyone it is inevitable
we all must learn to adapt to the new paradigm regardless of our past

I suspect the hardwood flooring business is at least a possibility however its a bit to up and down so far to even remotely consider a dependable source of income

 

"and if I had my way the boat would run on steam
burning wood pellets or just wood its carbon neutral "

its carbon neutral ...Boston, you are sooooooo politically correct......what a load of crap...carbon neutral.....please explain....where did the steam engine come from mate, and the bolier and the metal work etc etc etc

you are much smarter mate than this political correctness crap....just get on with saving for ya new boat and build it however you want to at the best price for yourself.

 

nothing is perfectly carbon neutral but if a fuel grows within the life span of co2 in the atmosphere ~150 to 200 years then its considered carbon neutral

a traditional wood boat has about the lowest embodied energy your going to get
run it on steam and you could fill the planet with them and hardly have an impact

the metal and the epoxy is about the only part of it I don't seem to be getting away from

 

If you did that you'd be counting it twice since those sources are already well accounted for and tabulated in the totals.

Jimbo