What Do We Think About Climate Change

This bears reposting as some seem to doubt there is an agenda behind AGW....

Their Own Mouths: Global Warming is a Fraud

"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen." - Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

"We require a central organizing principle - one agreed to voluntarily. Minor shifts in policy, moderate improvement in laws and regulations, rhetoric offered in lieu of genuine change - these are all forms of appeasement, designed to satisfy the public’s desire to believe that sacrifice, struggle and a wrenching transformation of society will not be necessary." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation." - Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies

"The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are." - Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control." - Professor Maurice King

"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable." - Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit

"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

"The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

"The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil." – Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world." -Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." - Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

"... the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion." - Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." - John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing." - Christopher Manes, Earth First!

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing." - David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club.





The oil companies didn't make that stuff up. Those are words of the elitist sobs that want to run the world. Sadly, some of the members here share those sentiments.

 

As far as Bostons little class warfare diatribe. It's drivel. Free enterprise and capitalism have been the only political movements that have moved people out of poverty, all others have maintained the status quo or implemented mediocrity as a goal. It was the green folks who condemned tens of million to die of malaria and other insect borne illnesses through the ill thought out ban on DDT, not capitalists.

 

Quote by Boston.....

3/4 the worlds population lives on land less than a few feet above sea level and in areas that will be effected by rising oceans



Back that one up, it's ******** and you know it! Post the demographics please.

 

no worries
happens

whats more often the case is that we build our sprawling cities out over the best farmland and move the farms to less productive lands

Denver is a prime example
the areas along the "mighty" Plat are about as fertile as it gets yet if you look at the growth of the city its exactly were the best soil is

the farms have all been pushed out to the short grass prarie lands and that needs tons of irrigation to produce anything

that irrigation brings up the salt line to surface level eventually ruining the soil for farming

another little treasure is wind erosion
we lose several inches of top soil a year to wind and its not coming back any time soon

the land the gov hold as BLM land is open to grazing and farming if you want
the amount of acres held for parks is minimal and most often not farm land in the first place
Yellowstone and the Tetons for example or Canyon Lands

the next big issue is farmlands in low lying areas that are subject to salt intrusion as the oceans rise

as a whole the human race would not look to bright to an outside observer

you might read Cadillac Dessert
cheers
B

 

The oceans are not rising. In fact as the glaciers sweep away Canada, with apologies to Brent, the sea levels will be dropping.There are campsites off the Gulf Coast of Florida that date back to those times.

 

myth busters time again

 

Was this sea level data collected by the same bunch of highly trustworthy individuals that told us we caused AGW? If so, they are incredible and I don't mean that in a nice way.

 

There are tens of thousands of scientists working on this issue. The vast majority of them believe man is the cause of the present environmental crisis

if 100 people told you that cliff was to high for you to safely jump off of
and 1 said go for it
what would you do

cause thats about the spread among scientist concerning climate change

 

Many scientists disagree with AGW but have been intimidated into silence.

 

I would check your facts about many "scientists" disagree with global warming. Scientists are really the most intimidating crowd. Boston is right, the acceptance of the AGW is 97% of real scientists. the other 3% work for the Oil and Gas companies.

 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090706130339AAyRpWm

"But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis."

 

I checked out Richard Lindzen. He contributed to the 2007 IPCC report. That article you referenced was an opinion piece, not an actual report about anything. He is entitled to his views, and he can write that. But the fact of the matter is that there are many more scientists that agree with AGW than disagree. It is also important to note that Lindzen is characterized by everyone he has taught as being a naysayer, a contrarian. He denies that smoking is linked to lung cancer. You decide how serious he should be taken.

 

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

"Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore."

 

could not help but notice that article was written by none other than the industry stooge himself

RICHARD LINDZEN

the guy who charges the oil and gas industry $2500 a day to support there cause

nice eh
perfect example Hoyt
as I said earlier

if the shoe fits

also couldn't miss that I was not the only guy who caught that

Lindzen by the way left the IPCC because they would not let him censure anyone who disagreed with his views
not because he was himself forced to leave or pressured to change his views



Hoyt sent me this and I just thought it was to funny not to share

 

How many years was that Boo Boo?

Jimbo