What Do We Think About Climate Change

Just to gather all info about climate matters in this thread, let me pick up this post in the 'oceans under attack' thread:
Changes in Net Flow of Ocean Heat Correlate with Past Climate Anomalies

A couple of pearls from there:

"The physicists also say these changes in ocean heat-flow direction should be taken into account when predicting global climate because the oceans represent 90 percent of the total heat in the earth's climate system."

"The team believes that the oceans may change how much they absorb and radiate depending on factors such as shifts in ocean currents that might change how the deep water and surface waters exchange heat. In addition to the correlation with strange global effects that some scientists suspect were caused by climate shifts, the team says their data shows the oceans are not continuously warming—a conclusion not consistent with the idea that the oceans may be harboring "warming in the pipeline." Douglass further notes that the team found no correlation between the shifts and atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration."

Cheers.

 

Allways check facts.

 

And "ALLWAYS" check spelling (sorry, don't normally give a crap but here).
You know that almost every person who has died in a car crash in the US in the last thirty years also ate carrots at some time in the two years preceding the crash?

 

the Arctic passage opened up for shipping this summer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8264345.stm

course the ice isnt really melting now is it

the ancient map was interesting
I read several books concerning its origins long ago
( try "the message of the sphinx" by Hapgood
its not exactly mainstream but he does make a fairly good argument for the time-line of humanity's development being a tad off
another one thats worth reading is called "forbidden archeology"
its basically a collection of anomalous archeological finds like the map you mentioned

Jim once again I appreciate the civility of your answers but none actually invalidated the examples given by numerous independent researchers and institutions concerning the realities of the isotopic fingerprint all derived by independent means

I think G was hoping for a more entertaining discussion
way to sound all disappointed G

sorry but for the rest there is little to comment on other than an honorable mention of Knut's excellently made points concerning ocean acidification

there is definitely a measurable rise in the oceans ph in the last say several hundred years

I suppose slow eddy may have earned a dishonorable mention with more of his ridiculous claims

working on animal conservation of endangered species is being a grant *****
hardly
actually the grant only pays my expenses
I draw no salary but instead apply for compensation after having paid my own way
and its a blind grant so as to not influence the outcome of any research being done
they esentially pay for educational materials related expenses
now that I have a paying job I take time off work to do the lectures
as apposed to what the agnotologists do which is pay out hefty benefits for deliberately skewed nonsense

nice that you were thinking of me though
can you say
97%

anyway folks fortunately the debate is fundamentally over within the scientific community and has been for some time
at this point its mainly measuring the damage and detailing possible mitigation
one thing we do mostly agree on though
it took the entire industrial revolution to screw things up this bad
we're hardly going to be able to bend enough industrial might to fix it any time soon
at least not soon enough given that species right and left are dropping like flies

cheers
B

 

16,169,906,983 tons co2 emisssions, so far this year....

Click in on: http://www.worldometers.info/

Check the following;
Something is going on, caused by us or not...., We should not add to this by increaseing the speed, or keep the speed/ consumption at today's rate..... or higher...

Some points to view, use the calculator to grasp the actual sizes.

• Environment
• Forest loss this year (hectares)
• Arable land lost due to soil erosion this year (hectares)
• Carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions this year, in tons
• Current average temperature (Celsius)
• Desertification this year (hectares)
• Species that have gone extinct this year
• Toxic chemicals released by industries into our air, land, and water this year (tons)
• Kilometers Earth has traveled in space within our Solar System this year
• Tyre recycling and re-treading
• UK tyres specialist Blackcircles supports projects to recycle worn tyres, and encourages car drivers to reduce their emissions by inflating their tyres correctly. Most of our tyre brands are suitable for re-treading which extends the lifespan of the tyre.
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• Food
• Tons of produced food this year
• Undernourished people in the world right now
• Overweight people in the world right now
• Obese people in the world right now
• People who died of hunger today
• Money spent due to obesity related diseases in the USA today (US$)
• Money spent on weight loss programs in the USA today (US$)
  
  
• Water
• Water consumed this year (billion liters)
• Deaths from water related diseases this year
• People with no access to safe drinking water
• 
  
  
• Energy
• Energy used worldwide today (kWh), of which:
• - from non-renewable sources (kWh)
• - from renewable sources (kWh)
• Solar energy striking Earth today (kWh)
• Oil pumped today (barrels1)
• Oil left (barrels)
• Days to the end of oil 2
• Gas left (boe3)
• Days to the end of gas 2
• Coal left (boe)
• Days to the end of coal 2
• • 
    [*]1) Barrel = 42 Gallons = 159 Liters
    [*]2) If consumed at current rates
    [*]3) Boe = barrel of oil equivalent
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Boston, you're misinformed on that one; its not "open".....

The waters is, well open to physically sail in, but a sailboat trying to pull that trick will be rounded and arrested up by Russians not too pleased with that traffic....

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/sorlandet/1.6754623

For those not to fluent in the world language Norwegian;

"they are now escorted by the (Russian) coast guard to the coastal city Providenija....... Thay have been informed that the expected paper mill to process will at least take two weeks".

 

well it was open enough to get a couple of western commercial ships through for the first time
guess no one told them about the forms they were supposed to fill out

could have happened to anybody

of course the ice isnt really melting anyway and those two ships were just a figment of the imagination

cheers
B

 

Unexpected side effects to the climate change issue.... Paperwork....

 

the oceans are warming up nicely

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/20/us-sci-warm-oceans-082009/?nation&zIndex=152631

http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=98710423615

hmmmm
do you think that might have anything to do with "global climate change"

http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=60532981047

 

Boston,

You wrote "well it was open enough to get a couple of western commercial ships through for the first time." as if it were stunning news.

Who cares if a German shipping company uses a nuclear powered Russian ice breaker to open the ice for two of its ships? Not me, because the Ruskies have been using the Arctic route since 1979.

You appear to be as hoodwinked by the MSM propaganda as the mealy mouthed Richard Galpin. Might I suggest that you now be silent on the issue and only be thought a fool, rather than write further and confirm your gullibility to all and sundry.

Here are the facts. http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/search?q=n w passage

Respectfully,

Pericles

 

The debate is only over in the mind of zero growth fanatics like Boston. In reality there has never been a debate nor was the issue framed for there to be one. Government grant whores and societal parasites can't tolerate even the hint of a debate as its results will cause massive unemployment in their fields. About the only area where the debate is over concerns the lack of real provable evidence of the anthropogenic nature of climate change, and that the computer models used by the alarmists, will, with monotonous regularity reflect the distorted data that is fed to them to support the claims of the social engineers of the left. All the minutae posted by Boston is just a smoke screen to hid the fact that he has no facts when it comes to proving the anthropogenic nature of climate change, he has just supposition and computer model results.

 

Ill be happy to print the whole thing for ya
that way you can see that I reported the articles data accurately and that it is you who is skewing the facts

looks like a lot of facts and data reported in my last few that add up to
ice is melting because the oceans are warming
or at least most people would go ahead and put those two together
but then again this is denier central

hmmm
and a lot of facts and data in the following also show clearly there is no real debate concerning were all this extra co2 is coming from

basically both you guys just proved to the readers your misrepresenting the facts by denying that loads of scientific data has been offered in support of the prevailing theory and that the various articles were quoted accurately

once again the lack of civility and honesty is hardly worth my time

 

More minutae and no evidence. He long ago gave up the right to expect to be treated with any civility considering his rants and tirades against any and all who disagreed with him. If this is such a waste of time for Boston, perhaps he should just hang with his alarmist buddies and they can sit aroung the room and play mental ************ with their plans for mankind.

 

Poles may be warmer but DC is cooler with the new rock star at 1600. It would be awfully damned boring if the climate never changed, and who is to say that today's climate is the climal optimum. The Northern Passage may well have been navigable when men were growing grapes in the soutern parts of England, at about the same time the Inca's were thriving in Pre-Columbian South America.

Link: http://www.climatechangefraud.com/c...ate-warming-may-have-given-incas-helping-hand

 

Boston,

Do you like sex and travel?