Turmoil in Egypt

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  1. michael pierzga
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    The solution will come from the Egytptian people. When they say enough is enough the MB will become irrelivant . The MB will be forced to abandon violence if they hope to share power as a conservative political party.
     
  2. Leo Lazauskas
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    You not only killed it, you changed it from Italian into French! :)
    Or Spanish :D
    Or maybe Portuguese :eek:
     
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    Or they might win an even greater majority.
     
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    oops :D
     
  5. michael pierzga
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    I see that they are releasing Mubarak from prison.. Perhaps they have a plan ?
     
  6. Leo Lazauskas
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    Your news feed might be restricted, but I can find lots of references to the killings by both sides. One example from Australia:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-18/egyptian-security-forces-clear-al-fath-mosque/4894462

    And that was compiled using Reuters reports. There are many many more.

    Remember, too, that some of the details of the troubles will not be reported.
    We will get reports of this many deaths, or that many shots fired from
    mosques, but we will not hear the fine details. Egypt is not important enough
    to most people in the West. You are just another foreign country where
    the locals are killing each other in large numbers, same as Iraq, or
    Afghanistan, or Dagestan, etc etc.
     
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    - neither can I, but based on what I read I can only say how lucky I am to live where I do.

    BTW: your Italian is fine even if you were striving for French :)
     
  8. El_Guero

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    Leo,

    It is Spanish. Que Será, Será is Spanish, Che sarà sarà is Italian.

    :)
     
  9. Leo Lazauskas
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    The original was in Italian. But I also added Spanish in my reply. :)
    It doesn't really matter, it was a crappy, cloying, awful song.

    But back on topic...
    Do you think the situation in Egypt will become like it is in Syria or will the
    military be able to contain the violence to smaller scale?
     
  10. El_Guero

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    They are using Orwell's accidental playbook from his book, 1984.

    Don't tell them the whole news, and they will quickly forget what little they knew.

    And then change the subject to your next 'crisis.' Keep them just scared enough, and people will let you commit all kinds of atrocities in the name of 'protecting' them.

    I keep praying for the government forces. It is so easy in the face of all of this to become as evil as your enemy.

    Use the deaths of civilians as 'black flags.' Set terrorists (instigators) among the protestors. False arrests. Confessions by torture. Murder of innocents and unarmed, just because you need more fear .....

    I pray the military stays professional. The better they conduct during this wave of terror, the quicker the people will heal from this week, month, year of terror.

    And I pray the wave of terror does not stretch on beyond the current time. We do not need another Syria.

    wayne
     
  11. El_Guero

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    We need to work on your song recognition ....

    :)

    Technically, and maybe even in truth, no one was trying to 'nation build' in Syria, Syria may have actually been a spontaneous event sparked by the opportunity the insurgents (al-Qaeda backed) thought they saw around them.

    Most of Egypt's problem is internal .... a large minority, the MB wants to control everyone. A majority of Muslims are sympathetic, so they do not actively intervene and allow the MB to continue their reign of terror.

    The only hope is that there are enough of the anti-MB Egyptians to bring the reign of terror to an end.

    And get US out of 'nation building.'
     
  12. Leo Lazauskas
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    I suspect that the USA's main interest in Egypt at present is like those of most
    other countries, i.e. keep the Suez Canal open.
     
  13. Vulkyn
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    Its a problem now, el Quada flags are being raised in demonstrations !!??!

    They just arrested "El Mourshd" or the supreme head of the MB.

    Regarding Mubark he was acquitted from one of the charges not sure about his release though he is charged with a lot ...
     
  14. Leo Lazauskas
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    I think he is already back at work.
     
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  15. Vulkyn
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    Interesting post on facebook from a friend ....

    Richard Nixon was the 37th President of the United States, serving from 1969 to 1974, when he became the only president to resign the office. During Nixon's second term the Watergate scandal was revealed where a break-in occurred at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex and the Nixon administration's attempted covering up its involvement. The scandal escalated, costing Nixon much of his political support, and on August 9, 1974, he resigned in the face of almost certain impeachment and removal from office.
    Mohamed Morsi, Egypt’s 1st freely elected president didn’t get involved in a break-in of his political opponents headquarters; NO he did much worse things and these are a few examples:
    1. He issued a constitutional decree that granted him absolute powers where he neutralised the entire judiciary system and he gave himself the right to issue laws without being challenged by any court.
    2. The Egyptian presidency under Morsi filed several lawsuits against dissents accusing them of “insulting the president”, a charge that doesn’t exist in any democratic country.
    3. Under Morsi presidency, human rights organisations in Egypt has documented 300 cases of tortures and around 157 cases of murder and suspected murder in demonstrations, police stations and prisons.

    More to be found on these links:
    http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/06/26/1749
    http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/06/27/1752

    Only one of these violations is enough to impeach a president in any truly democratic system but according to the new Egyptian constitution (drafted by the Muslim Brotherhood and their ultra-conservative allies) there are no clauses stating the mechanisms of impeaching a president once he violates the constitution.
    And thus Egyptians had no choice but to gather 22 million signatures on a petition calling for early presidential elections. But unlike Nixon, Morsi didn’t respond to the popular will and thus through massive mobilisation of protestors and with the army responding to the people’s will, Morsi was impeached!
     

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