Turmoil in Egypt

I doubt that it is being censored as such. My understanding is that Al Jazeera is
mostly available on cable or satellite in the USA.

 

Leo,

Leo,

Kinda funny don't you think? Some one from inside the country tells us all the TV networks are turned off, and external news goes to minimum?

Or, do you believe in 'coincidence?'

wayne

 

Leo,

GO through these pictures, I see one wounded cop - over 60 have been killed. I see one 'protestor' with a slingshot - but, protestors have killed over 60 cops.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/middleeast/gallery/egypt-violence-august/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

If there is a 10 to 1 killing of police by 'demonstrators,' where are all the guns they used? Why aren't there 10 pictures of wounded police attacked by terrorists?

Why are all the pictures of 'Morsi' supporters? Do you really think with tear gas going around, the photographer actually asked the people running by who the supported?

I do not believe in coincidence.

I am also being told on my blog that I am doing a little better than the average westerner. Not that I am right, just getting a better picture than some.

It is an un-civil-war. The MB are being portrayed as 'activists'. And US and EU did support them, even though our governments labeled them as terrorists.

wayne

 

Referring to the "the extreme international support the MB are getting" in an earlier post by Vulkyn, Leo Lazauskas wrote
"I haven't seen that kind of support in the news outlets I see from Australia, the UK, Germany or in Al Jazeera . . . "

- neither have I.

BBC and other news channels state that the MB is unpopular and their supporters are violent. The deaths occuring during clashes between police and MB supporters are a fact and presented as such. It is made clear that both sides are confrontional.

On the other hand, the media describe the MB as a political body, once again banned in Egypt. Its violent past and connection with Hammas getts less coverage. A viewer can get the impression that the MB has been banned because the army do not approve of its politics.

The cause of the government overthrow - lack of leadership, Morsi attempt to grant himself unlimited powers, and placing an Islamic agenda ahead of dealing with desperate economic issues - that is the background of the current situation didn't get covered in any broadcast I have seen so far. However the popular news media deals mainly with what is happening now - provided that it hasn't been happening long enough to get boring - and such media will naturally favor shots of police and military killing civilians.

The Egyptian news media may be giving a different picture . . .

 

I really believe your judgment is overly influenced by your belief that our government actually has the power to control and censor the news in this country.

People in our government can manipulate reporters to a point - for example, by selectively 'leaking' so-called information. That was proven in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. But it's hardly the same as suppressing news and information. That's a lot harder to do.

Reality check: all the news and information you believe is being suppressed or ignored in our mainstream media can be found by bringing up google news, which is mostly just a cross section of that mainstream media.

This is Vulkyn's thread; he started it to tell us what's actually happening around him in Egypt. Maybe we should stop trying to impose our own political and ideological spins on events halfway around the world, and just let him tell his story....

 

Troy,

I support your decision to stop trying to impose political spin on events.

Thank you!

Wayne

But, I really cannot believe you believe the politicians could control the media. Next you will tell me Senators & Congressmen knew all along the NSA was spying on Americans ....

 

It doesn't surprise me that Vulkyn's news feed is minimal. That's just the militia controlling the situation the way they want to.

I don't agree that the news has gone to a minimum. I can get lots of information if I want it. I'm just not that interested in watching hours of jerks killing each other in the name of their favourite sky pixie.

It's not relevant to me.

 

I thought they had been killed in different places around Egypt, not just in one place.

Are you seriously asking me to explain why CNN news coverage is or isn't biased? Get a grip, Wayne!

You are being praised by those who agree with your conspiracy theory.
Trust me, it's worthless praise.

They are "activists" at the moment. The MB are fighting for their political
position just as hard as the groups who oppose them.

Whether the US and EU support them or oppose them is irrelevant now.
Only the Egyptian people themselves can determine how things go here.
Personally, I think they might as well get used to the military running the
country for a while.

And they can certainly forget about tourism bringing in any hard currency for
quite a while. Cashed up Europeans (read Germans) have plenty of other
places they can go to.

 

I will only give you one example ....

Kerdasa police station attacked by an RPG. Whoever survived the missile attack was gunned down in the station their bodies taken out in the street and mutalated.
That included a high ranking general in the police, officers and soldiers.

I did not say the feed was off i said the high profile news anchors where not going on the air but subs where. Yesterday the one of the news channels was attacked the army had to step in.

And i am not a violent person and i do not condemn violence but yes i am sorry to say that gathering had to be cleared. You have no idea how bad it was i mean really its much worse than you think.
And unfortunately they had to be cleared by extreme force, when armoured cars are shot and crippled (yes they crippled 2 cars in the first 15 mins), 3 officers shot dead again the in first 15 mins. Clear video and picture footage of armed gunman shooting at police you tend to start drawing the line.
The sad truth is there is no such thing as 100% peaceful demonstrators all you need is a few gunman and a backup for them. Even if the rest are not armed it quickly deteriorates when they are supporting armed personal.
As there has been violations from the police surely, do not tell me that if you see your friends being shot down and you are under fire you will not retaliate. If you see the video footage you will get what i mean.

The MB are getting too much support things like "the government was the one that choose not to negotiate but the MB where ready and willing."
No one is saying that the MB had no right to occupy residential and critical area for more that 45 days, no one is saying the human right violation they have commited in that period. No one is saying the law's they have broken in that period, no one is saying they brought in children and women to deter the police from coming in. No one is saying anything about the huge amount of firearms that where recovered. No one is saying anything about the video footage of MB killing their own and framing the pictures.
And the list goes on and on.
How can all the be ignored???

 

BBC reported the RPG police station attack and the maiming of the wounded policemen with acid.

 

The lap dog media in this country are willing tools of the MB supporting admonishtrayshun who have been hiding the truth for years.

 

One day last week in the news showed us soldiers with assault rifles and shot victims (aljazeera, BBC and local), except the fact they were BIRD SHOT victims but nevertheless the news report let it be understood that they were victims of the army.
Mostly this kind of reporting makes me so mad.. and shamed of our 'free' media..

 

25 soldiers killed this morning as they where heading home on vacation.
2 buses stopped by gunmen and riddled with bullets ... they where not even armed ...

MB official have actively threatened prior to the force removal of their demonstrations that they will and i quote "all attacks on army personal in sinai will stop if Morsi is back in power"
Not to mention they threatened to cripple and attack the "country" if their demands are not met.

 

You have my prayers Vylkyn, and my apologies for unfortunate comments on your thread from folk who seem to have an unrelated agenda of their own. Stay safe and don't give up on us, your direct reports are important. We who do not live close to the action only see whatever remains after reporters have risked their lives, politicians have influenced the media and TV station directors have pawed through what is left for the bits that please their sponsors.

 

I guess what i strive for is to really show we can tolerate each other because we are different. I can not assume i know how its like living in another country no matter how much i read about it.

I really just want to share part of my experience and nothing more. It obvious the amount of tainting facts that is on the media so its just one voice really speaking from my view and nothing more.
I know this forum is not meant for that but to be honest most of the members here are much more than just individuals who i ask boat related questions but friends i have gotten to know over many years.

There is no point in giving up hope in anything, life is all about hope and grinding through obstacles.
"Que sera sera, what ever will be will be, the future is not ours to see, que sera sera"
(sorry i killed the french language but its a really insightful song...)