TP52s

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by mighetto, Nov 1, 2004.

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  1. mighetto
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    mighetto New Member

    Knowingly stating falsehood is not opinion. It can be called debate. But only when there is a formal competition. This is not a debate forum. We should think a bit about what an assumption is. 5000 hulls. Thats fact. Is it so outside the realm of your belief structure to not allow an assumption. Assume the MacX boat represents the Future of Yacht design. Then test that theory. Look at all the similar features now showing on the modern racing sailboats. Volvo 70s race - today! We have our scuttlebut listserve now humming. If you want assume the TP52 represents the Future of Yacht Design. SO NOT. SO IMS. Lets move on.
     
  2. sailsmall
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    sailsmall Senior Member

    HA! Name a few. Hell, name one.


    Once again you demonstrate your inability to understand the English language as it is spoken today. The phrase "our TP52 idea" in the context of the sentence is a statement of pride that they originated on the West Coast.


    Anyone would be pissed off about that, but that's not what I meant.


    You contradict yourself. A range of 100 miles is not nearly enough to rely on for safety in blue water (ie, far from land; this is another term you don't understand properly). You would need much more range to get out of the path of a hurricane, to use one of your favorite examples.
     
  3. mackid068
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    mackid068 Semi-Newbie Posts Often

    Volvo 70:

    AFT TRIM BALLAST TANK, not a fully water ballasted boat! It has a canting keel with a 9900 pound bulb...I recall you saying that centerboards+water ballast are better....

    Port and starboard daggerboards for extra sideslipping prevention.

    If you're talking about the FOYD, then the Open 60 and the Volvo 70 (and, hell, let's throw in the TP52) are it.

    And regarding the Mac26...what's the point of having to add water for stability when it would be more stable 100% by having a keel (or at least some sort of permanent ballast!)?

    [​IMG]

    That is one example of the FOYD.

    Not this...

    [​IMG]
     
  4. Skippy
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    Skippy Senior Member

    Why does skandia have a bowsprit if the outer headsail isn't mounted on the end of it?
     
  5. mackid068
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    Could the bowsprit be solely for the spinnaker? All I know is that that boat is cutting edge...the FOYD...with a canting keel and REAL ballast.
     
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    jam007 Junior Member

    Spinnaker, gennacker or screecher depending on AWA and wind speed

    Anders M
     
  7. usa2
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    I dont believe the Tp 52 is the "future" of yacht design, as its not really a development class. The future of yacht design comes from Open classes such as the VO70, 30m supermaxis, and Open 60s. Tp52's are the future of level racing classes.
    The reason many people are hesitant to get into an "arms race" with a development class is because your boat could be completely obselete within a year or so. Take Skandia versus Maximus for instance. Max burned her in nearly all the races, despite being only 2 feet longer. Both boats are fully powered up in 10 knots of wind. Maximus however has more efficient sails, spars, and underbody appendages. The 2 years between the boats was the time needed to figure out whether a lifting AND canting keel was possibly, along with a wingmast and squarehead mainsail onboard a 100' supermaxi. Bowsprits in the traditional sense are not making a comeback. How many boats in the late 1800's and early 1900's did you see flying spinnakers off a bowsprit? The sprits, or "prodders" of the supermaxi class and the Open 30,40,50,60, and 70 classes are entirely different than the classic bowsprit.
    Water ballast on the Open 70's is to adjust trim, not keep the boat on her feet. Thats why there is a canting keel. Water ballast is not as effective as a canting keel, and only could be if above deck ballast was permitted. However if that happened, people would move their lead above deck also.
     
  8. SailDesign
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    SailDesign Old Phart! Stay upwind..

    That would be a MIZZEN, migho. At least learn the language if you are planning on being a sailing poseur.
    Sheesh!
     
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    SailDesign Old Phart! Stay upwind..

    Because calss rules do not allow it. No fixed stays outside the boat's rule length.
     
  10. mackid068
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    Ok, even if the TP52 is not the FOYD, but the FOLR, fine. It's still better than the MacGregor 26...and 65...as a FACT, just as the open 60 and Volvo 70 are better than the MG26 and 65...of course. And that's no joke.
    :D
     
  11. Shife
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    Shife Anarchist

    No one on earth believes that you and Tempesta are the same person. You must have been dropped on your head as a child to think that you "outed" Scot. As soon as SA was born people knew who's site it was. Unlike you, the Ed is actually an accomplished sailor. Please explain how Tripp Gal has anything to do with the Ed's role at SA. He OWNS the fricking site Frank. No one tells him what to do. Why all this hate directed at Tripp Gal anyway? We all know you're jealous of:

    1 Her sailing abilities (You don't have enough sailing experience to even operate the beer cooler on that boat)

    2 Her boat (larger, faster, better built, better looking, and far more successful)

    3 Her knowledge of rating rules, navigation, and the RRS's (Your lack of knowledge on these subjects makes you a danger to yourself and everyone on the water with you)

    And now you're jealous of her ability to post on SA? She causes no problems at SA. Unlike you who causes problems for every forum you stumble into (until you get banned anyway.) If I were her husband, I'd track your fat *** down and club you over the head with a boat hook for all the unwarranted personal attacks you made against her. You are a liar and a slimeball Frank. You make seedy used car salesmen seem like good people.
     
  12. sailsmall
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    sailsmall Senior Member

    That's what I was going to say too, maybe not quite as poetically, but then I remembered that, at one point when the FOYD thread was going hot and heavy, there was some speculation that the Ed was in fact putting everyone on by pretending to be this bizarre creature named Mighetto. I'm pretty sure that's what Frank is refering to, and, of course, once again he doesn't understand the simplest of concepts. Ironically, there was also speculation that it was Tripp Gal, among a few other people.
     
  13. TP 52 Defender
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    TP 52 Defender Actual Sailor

    Just some real news about TP52's - In the IRC Midatlantics TP52's went 1 & 3 (2 was an IMS Farr 53). As to Franks claim about a rule change in IRC don't believe him - as he has proven that his knowledge of all things sailing is limited (very limited) and often dangerous.
     
  14. sailsmall
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    sailsmall Senior Member

    Above deck? Can you expand on that a little?
     

  15. usa2
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    usa2 Senior Member

    If say you were allowed to carry ballast on a rail that spanned the hulls beam, like certain RC boats have. You could either have a lump of lead or a watertank on this rail and crank it way out to weather. The only appendages needed underwater than would be a rudder and and daggerboard with trimtab.
    People are technically above deck ballast, but rating rules cant outlwaw people. Most rating rules dont allow above deck ballast, and it is not usually safe to have your ballast that high up.
     
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