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Some people think Castro did.... sorry about the poor translation from French


" Salvador Allende did not commit suicide, nor died under the bullets of the military coup participants the 11th, September, 1973. During the assault against La Moneda palace, the president of Chile was cowardly assassinated by one of the Cuban agents who were in charge of their protection. While the military was bombing the place, the panic had seized among the president´s collaborators and he, in view of the desperate situation, had requested and obtained brief fire ceases and was, in the end, determined to stop all resistance. According to a witness of the facts, Allende, frightened by terror, ran by the corridors of the second floor of the palace shouting: "It is necessary to surrender". Before he could do it, Patricio de la Guardia, an agent of Fidel Castro and direct responsible of Chilean president´s security, waited Allende returned to his writing-desk and it shot him in the head with a machine-gun burst. Immediately, he put on the body of Allende a gun - making believe that he was murdered by the military attackers and returned in a rush to first floor of the flaming building where they waited for other Cubans to leave. The group left La Moneda palace in complete silence and after minutes took refuge in Cuba´s embassy, located near from the palace.

This version of the dramatic ending of Salvador Allende, who contradicts the two previous almost-official versions, either by Fidel Castro (the thesis of the heroic death in combat), or by the Chilean Military junta (the 'suicide' one), required only two old members of secret organisms Cuban - very informed about that bloody episode and today exiled in Europe- to com to life.

In a book that is finish publishing in Paris editor Plon Editions, entitled "Cuba Nostra, them secrets d'Etat of Fidel Castro", Alain Ammar, a journalist specialized in Cuba and Latin America, analyzes and confronts the declarations gave him by Juan Vives and Daniel Alarcón Ramirez, two ex- Cuban civil intelligence employees.

Exiled since 1979, Juan Vives is a former secret agent of the dictatorship and Osvaldo Dorticós Torrado´s nephew , the opereta´s Cuban president that reigned from 1959 to 1976, and "was forced to suicide" in dark circumstances in 1983. Vives told him that in November, 1973, in a bar at Habana Libre hotel, where some members of the security office used to meet on saturdays to drink beer and to interchange by informal ways rumours and information of all type, he listened the same story form the Patricio de la Guardia, head of the Cuban special troops present in La Moneda fatal september, 11th, 1973, that chilling confession.

During years, Vives did not want to present that information because , as he says, "it was dangerous to do it" and cause there was until that moment no other Cuban person in exile that could confirm the trustworthy featurer of those facts. When Ramirez knew that Daniel Alarcón, a.k.a "Benigno" , one of the three survivors from the guerrilla of Ernesto Guevara in Bolivia, also was exiled in Europe, the idea to present those serious facts returned to gained force.

In the book of Alain Ammar, "Benigno" confirms the whole Vives' story. Both knew Salvador Allende and his family. Both lived in Chile during Allende's government. Both listened, at different moments, the confession of the de la Guardia when they returned to Havana.

The book of Ammar accurately describes the last months of the "Unidade Popular" government and, mainly, it shows the advanced degree of direct control that Fidel Castro had managed to install -- by means of its hundreds of spies from the DGI (a Cuban service of intelligence), by means of its operators and implanted influence agents in Santiago --, on the Rescuing president Allende, his ministers and even his friends and more intimate collaborators. In fact, what they call "Chilean way to the socialism" had been turned aside by Castro until the point of even from within the Allende's government there were voices that criticized that brutal interference. Months before his death, Salvador Allende already "had been instrumentalized by Castro", explains Juan Vives. "But Allende he was not the man whom Havana wanted to be in charge in Santiago. Who Castro and Piñero [ right arm of Castroe in operations of espionage in Latin America, died recently in Cuba of a heart attack ] prepared for this, the body-guard of the same president Allende, were Miguel Henríquez, main leader of the MIR and Pascal Allende, number two at the MIR, just like Beatriz Allende, the daughter of the president, who also belonged to the MIR ". Beatriz will die in Cuba in 1974.

The control on the Chilean Chief of State had been become serious remarkably after the first attempt of military coup, the 29 of June of 1973, more known as "tancazo". When Havana knew that the Chileans who surrounded the president were scared, Fidel Castro let Allende know that he could not surrender in any case nor requesting asylum in an embassy. "If it had to die, it had to die like a hero. Any other attitude, cowardly and little brave, would have serious repercussions for the fight in Latin America ", remembers Juan Vives. For that reason Fidel Castro issued the order to Patricio de la Guardia "to eliminate Allende if he, in the last moment, surrendered to fear".

Shortly after the first attacks to La Moneda, Allende had said to Patricio de la Guardia that was about to request political asylum at Sweden embassy. The executive agent chief had even designated to Augusto Olive, his advisor of press, to do it. Probably for that reason Olive, a.k.a "perro" , also received and ultimatum by the Cubans before they closed batteries against the president of Chile. "Recruited by the Cuban DGI, Olive transmitted even the minimum thoughts of Allende to Piñeiro, that, as well, informed to Fidel", Juan Vives declared.

Another Chilean body-guard of Allende , a certain Agustín, also "was shot" by the Cubans at those dramatic moments, according to the declaration by "Benigno" to the author of the book. Weeks after the coup d'etat, Patricio de la Guardia had revealed, in effect, to "Benigno" the ending of Agustín, brother of a friend of him that still lives in Cuba, and it had given another important detail to him on the happening during that tragic morning in the palace of La Moneda: before the machine-gunning, the Cuban agent had grabbed Salvador Allende by force, who wanted to come out form the palace, and he had seated him on the presidential armchair shouting to him: "a president dies in his site".

The version of the point-blank shot of Allende was not absolutely stranger. At Septembed, 12th, 1973 several agencies, among them the AFP , summarized in four lines that fact. Published on the following day by Le Monde the cable said: "According to sources of the Chilean right, president Allende was killed by his personal guard at moments at which he requested five minutes of cease of fire to surrender to the military who were on the verge of entering the palace of La Moneda". Ammar indicates that this hypothesis "was immediately buried" because it was not profitable to anybody: "neither to the collaborators of Allende, nor to the Chilean left, nor to his friends abroad, nor to the military nor, mainly, to Fidel Castro...".

The confirmation that, until recently, this "hypothesis" received from Juan Vives and Daniel Alarcón Ramirez could be reinforced in the future by the testimonies of other silenced Cuban civil employees and by documents that are outside Cuba. In effect, in a bank of Panama the masterful piece of this magnicidio would rest. According to the authors of the book, Patriciode la Guardia, who was condemned to thirty years in jail during the process-farce against major general Arnaldo Ochoa Sanchez, and in residence vigil today, would have deposited a compromissing document in the coffer of a Panamanian bank which describes, among other things, the assassination of Allende by order of Castro, in a text that would have to be revealed in case of death of Patricio de la Guardia. Fidel Castro, according to the authors of the book, would have taken this threat very seriously and it caused Patricio to escaped to the execution, unlike Tony, his brother, that along with general Ochoa and two other civil employees of the Department of the Interior, were shot at July/13/1989.

The revelation of what happened to Salvador Allende is not interesting solely for the historians of the calamitous adventure of the Unidade Popular in Chile. It is interesting too, for the new Latin American friends of Fidel Castro, specially for Venezuela president Hugo Chávez. Hugo Chávez and others, the more reliable are them for Havana, just like had been president Allende - at least in the papers - could be being now object of identical kind ofr control and political domination by the same services that built so beastly against the president of Chile. The book of Alain Ammar approaches, in its 425 pages, many other subjects and episodes related to complicated and not always successful secret operations of Havana in Cuba and several countries. "

 

As I said -- the running of superpowers puts untold stress on it's own as well as the worlds citizens. Very seldom does help from such nations see immediate positive results. In the case of the past British Empire, they planted the seed of capitolism and democracy but it took some 100yrs to really bear fruit. One of the indirect benifits to North American was the great migration of the family oriented and super hardworking Irish into both Canada and the U.S. In the case of the Russian Empire it put Russia on the world map, however it's citizens paid a most dreadful price,including those of the surrounding countries contained within in it's sphere of influence. However every cloud has a silver lining, both the Russian people and those surrounding countries having experienced this hardship seem to be moving toward a greater gold ( democracy-and freedom) North America and i think Canada in particular again seems to be benifiting from hard working peoples moving in from these areas. As for living next to and with our super power neighbour, it has it's good and bad days mostly determined by it's leadership never by it's people. When the government of this superpower nation does something stupid ( and they often do) we Canadians cry the pain of disbelief and hurt along with our U.S. citizen friends as I said before never judge any country by it's greedy buisness men or it's government and never underestimate it's citizens to make necessary corrections with both.The true heart of the U.S is it's hard working and compassionate people and I as a immediate neighbour am in the most qualified position to say so. Having said that this neighbour has been feeling some pain for the past while. Nothing more need be said other than I do see some flickering lanterns lit some time ago beginning to glow brighter. Something we grass root Canadians should be aware of within our own country. Freedom is not a given, it's earned by hard chores, and while we democratic nations fight to give it to the rest of the world, all will be in vane if we lose it at home--POWER TO THE PEOPLE--a passe but so important slogan--

 

Yes, but in my view, all sides are now trying to create a myth out of the man.

According to the coroner'd report (military one...) there were wounds on Allende from machine guns, but the fatal injury came from a hand gun. So that would be in conflict with this story.

Secondly, Allende and his last comrades were completely surrounded on the second floor, from where there's only one way out and that was under full control of the puchists. I seriously doubt that any Cuban would "quietly" sneak out past hundreds of puchist soldiers controlling the only way out. If you ever visit Santiago, go to La Moneda and visit the room. There's absolutely NO way out except the one you take to go up.

Thirdly, I think that those Cubans were selling a story that western propaganda wanted to hear, and they surely needed the money being in exile, so in the light of the above, I suspect they were lying to get some money out of the willing press.

Allende died defending the government from illegal puchists financed by the usa. That is the fact. How did he die is now a subject to speculation that only fuels the passions and division of generations that have nothing to do with the events of that day.

Soldiers who found him dead even claimed that they killed him and that he was crying like a girl to spare his life. Even pinochet refuted that story and deteremined that he was already dead when the soldiers finally got inot the last room.

That's good enough for me. He said he will leave the government only dead and he kept his promise.

Only a brave man can keep such a promise. Wrong whineers will have to live with that fact forever.

 

Id say that in the New World Order, Canada...a small population, resorce rich, well governed country ....will thrive. The big , resource hungry, countries will wither. Its happening right now. Countries like Australia look good..countries like the US are looking bad.

 

And his freindship with Castro is grossly overstated in capitalist propaganda. He had a couple of Cuban bodyguards, but remember that he did not like the Soviet model. And Cuba was similar to Soviet Union, so those bombastic "claims" are essentially crap.

Propaganda designed to scare the **** out of poor people living in "democratic capitalist freedom", yet in constant fear for their lives because the "reds" are coming to "kill them".

Yet, "reds" never came...

 

That's very true. And we have Troy on the record declaring Australia a socialist country.

Small and socialist. Can't go wrong.

 

In reality it is not socialist- As with most successful nations it's primarly capitalistic with socialist benifits where it's citizens welfare is at stake.(I just typed that "steak" that would be a little too much socialism) . I read somewhere that pure capitolism is more evel than pure communism but of course in reality neither can exist. Two of our North American countrys are a mix of Capitolism and Socialism with Canada having the more socalism in it's mix, (Health care) which of course is the driving force in the reduced cost and higher standard of living . I have to apologize once again to the people of Mexico for not having enough knowledge to make a comparison. I am knowledgeable and fasinated by your history but not so modern times. I promise as soon as I complete my study of South Africa, Mexico is next on my list. Speaking of South Africa-now there's a country who's history of inter tribal inter racial, inter european, inter human, violence and turmile holds some kind of world record. I almost said inter alien ( like in UFO's) but they were smart enough not to land in that region of the world.

P.S. masrapido--last night while re reading the posts that part of your history did come flashing back--The Cuban connection jogged my grey cells. A sad time.

 

Of course socialized medicine has severe limitations, which is why many Canadians and Europeans come to US to purchase healthcare not available in those places. Sweden even produces synthetic vitreous humour not available to its own citizens.

 

Hoyt--thats not exactly "true" other than "thru" the mouths of the big medical insurance companies. Any citizen rich or poor that requires emergency treatment in Canada receives it immediately. There are waiting periods for non emergency proceedures but in many cases even this time is reduced if one doesn't mind travelling to another location within the province. 99% of Canadians who go to the U.S for treatment are those not requiring emergency treatment and can afford to buy medical services thus saving waiting time. I do think some U.S medical speciality centers are better equipped equiptment wise but not necessarly staff wise and it's the combination of the two that produces the best results. Neither countrys system is perfect, your's being run as a buisness which part of the population can't afford and those with insurance have to battle insurance companies who are hell bent on finding any excuse not to pay. I have first hand knowledge on this from a U.S. guest that recently stayed at our B&B. His job with one of these greedy non caring companies was to find any excuse not to pay the medical costs of their customers by investigating their entire medical lives from childhood if necessary. His exact words were "I'm ashamed of my job and even more ashamed that these companies are allowed to do this". but I have no choice I have to work. Our's have the problem of waiting times and maybe in some cases older equiptment. However our medical staff are just as qualified and more important not driven by the almity buck. They are doctors and nurses for the right reasons. In Canada medical coverage is the right of all the people and one doesn't lose his/her lifes savings due to an illness. Havard did a study on the two systems and deemed the Canadian system more effective in saving lives. Why? It doesn't cost us a pot full of money to check out an ailment thus we tend to have it looked at much earlier in time resulting in earlier treatment and a better chance of survival. You can have the best system in the world but if it is too expensive for the average citizen patient to visit a doctor whats the use. It just comes down to the law of averages and sorry but this time Canada wins.

 

Yes, we Americans get into a frothy fury when distant foreign governments start giving milk to school children. That's just how evil we are.

Seriously, Mas, you need to get some counseling about this persecution complex of yours. You are well over the edge of rationality.

It is slightly plausible that the US would react to the Chilean government stealing the property of US citizens (what you so euphemistically call "nationalizing") or to Allende's support for the spread of communism during the Cold War, but it is ridiculous to think that the US would care about the rest of the things that you name.

The fact is that Allende was supported by Russia and Cuba. He was good friends with Castro and the KGB may very well have stolen 1970 the election for him. He managed to destroy Chile's economy and was rapidly becoming a dictator, ignoring the legislature and supreme court.

Furthermore, you are exaggerating the number of people who were killed by Pinochet by an order of magnitude. It was no more than 3,000, which is tiny compared to the number who would have died if the communists had been allowed to win, judging by what happened in Russia, China, Cuba, and other countries who were taken over by communist rebels.

Pinochet stopped the budding communist revolution in Chile, restored Chile's economy and resigned voluntarily once he felt that the threat of communist takeover had been removed. Compare that to Castro who has killed many times as many people and is still dictator of Cuba 60 years later.

 

One reason the almighty buck has become so important is that lawyers circle constantly like sharks in bloody water, pushing malpractice insurance rates through the roof. US needs tort reform. Before people discovered they could make money off doctors, medical care was much more affordable. The regulatory bodies with many acronyms have also drowned medical facilities in paperwork necessitating expanded office staffs and increasing overhead. Someone has to pay for all that.

 

Exactly that snake greed is showing it's ugly head here in Canada also. Hoyt I digress a little here and make a small correction--The U.S. medical system's ability to save lives is possibility the best in the world but is definately hamstrung by insurance and lawyer viruses. In actuality the two systems are sort of blending--The pay for servises/insurance backed system is creeping into Canada and your country is creeping toward more a socalized mix. I think this mix works but careful controls must be put in place to control human greed. The perfect mix would be a set fee to visit a doctor say $10 to $20 or an amount based on income with all medical proceedures beyond that based on a similar but higher fee say to a max of $1000.00. Immediate full coverage of new immigrants is becoming another hot topic here in Canada. As in your country likewise here in Canada the medical coverage for it's citizens is under strain allbeit for different reasons. Regardless the average income paying citizen is usually the loser. "COME THE REVOLUTION" --

 

Masrapido--Dave has a point there -- you have good input but losing ground I.E. spinning your wheels concentrating too much on hate and the blame factor when your intelligence which is unquestionable should be oriented more on debate rather than agression. There are two sides to every story and yes superpowers do make big mistakes but many are the result of hidden agendas manupilation by one or both of the warring parties within the country in question. Never underestimate the ability some of these opposing leaders to sway the government reps. of powerful countries. In otherwords many times they bite off more than they can chew -- be careful of what you wish for -- superpower militaries are hard to control even within their own countries.

 

Yup.." superpower militaries are hard to control even within their own countries. "

The military industrial complex always needs to find a nail to pound with its gigantic hammer and it must always keep its population in fear of...Commies.. or Domino effects.. or Muslims.. or whatever works, so they they will continue to feed the beast with tax dollars.

 

Exactly it's the nature of the beast--whether born in a rag tag dictatorship of a country or within a superpower.