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Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Oioi, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. Oioi
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    Hello,I would like to build a boat(ok I know is cheaper to buy one used but building can give lots of pleasure).
    The boat should be easy to build,would be flushed deck,have junk rig,no cockpit, sailed from inside,be small,have bilge keels, had to have maximum 2.5 Meter beam to be put on trailer and be on the road and finally be able to take me far away to rough seas and when in nice weathe
    take 4 friends for some sunshine and beach,is there a boat like that somewhere or has to be designed on purpose?
     
  2. fallguy
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    ?'sailed from inside'?
     
  3. Oioi
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    Inside the cabin yes,don't like to be on the rain and cold
     
  4. Squidly-Diddly
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    IMO the 'sailed from inside' is a much overlooked, yet very doable, feature. Figure Inside is wanted because its windy enough to be blowing spray, not just because the air is cold, so....that means you will want to be able to reef the sails, and doing that from inside means roller-rigs, not junk style sails. Roller rigs themselves have more issues that old school reefing.

    I think this is doable, but to get a reliable enough roller-rig main sail and jib, and sheets that can be operated from inside, will require a pretty high level of design/build and maybe a few mis-steps.
    Roller reefing main is functional! .. - MacGregor SailboatsĀ® | MacGregor 26 Official https://macgregorsailboats.com/roller-reefing-main-is-functional/
    I'd wait for MacGregor roller reef main to happen, then think about a semi-fully-enclosed tent to turn it into something that looks like a motor-sailer.
     
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  5. bajansailor
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    If you want to have junk rig and the ability to sail the boat from inside, I doubt that you could find a better design than Glory.
    https://junkrigassociation.org/resources/SiteAlbums/781899/Glorysailing1.jpg

    She is based on the standard 19'6" Colvic motor sailer hull - Henry bought a bare hull, and then fitted her out to his particular requirements.
    And he has covered many miles in her - Glory has been around the world, followed later by a voyage from England to California and back (to attend a friend's birthday party - Henry didn't like aeroplanes). In later years when old age restricted his 'long distance' passages, he would still go on a summer cruise from Poole (on the south coast of England) up to the Shetland Islands (north of Scotland) each year to visit his daughter who lived there.

    Glorysailing1.jpg

    Edit - here is a wonderful autobiography about Henry and his sailing adventures.
    https://www.junkrigassociation.org/...l of Fame/Hall of Fame, Sir Henry Pigott.pdf
     
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  6. Oioi
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    Thank you,she looks good no doubt,the problem is to find plans for it
     
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  9. Oioi
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    Thank you, interesting,the Colvic Watson is long keel,I would like bilge so can take to beach or just have her seating next to the house to look at the beautie
     
  10. Oioi
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    Would like to see more pics,I prefer a flushed Deck where can put a long chair and sunbath,and a pilot house to be protected from bad weather and with a good view,thank you,is something to consider
     
  11. bajansailor
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    bajansailor Marine Surveyor

    Whereabouts are you based Oioi?

    It would not be too difficult to add a pair of steel flat plate bilge keels to a vessel like the Colvic Watson in Fallguy's link above.
    Alternatively, many boats like this on tidal moorings have beaching legs fitted, to enable them to stand upright when the tide goes out.

    If you are not already a member of this Motorsailer group on Facebook, please do join - one of the members is a walking encyclopaedia regarding anything related to Colvic Watsons, and he has written a book about their history.
    Log In or Sign Up to View https://www.facebook.com/groups/motorsailers/
     
  12. fallguy
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    It says bilge keel in the ad. She is 2.7M beam, so perhaps wide.

    That boat needs a new survey. But a build would cost much more. I see why you want an enclosure. I prefer them as well; eyes burn terrible from wind.
     
  13. Oioi
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    I am in Portugal,I would prefer build something myself,thanks for the link
     
  14. bajansailor
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    bajansailor Marine Surveyor

    Following on from my previous post re Henry and Glory, here is a copy of an article from Practical Boat Owner magazine describing some of the many innovative ideas which Henry has incorporated into Glory.
    Oioi, I am sure that you could also do some of these on your boat when you build her.

    PBO Glory article P 1.jpg PBO Glory article P 2.jpg PBO Glory article P 3.jpg
     

  15. Oioi
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    Fantastic post,thanks,very good ideas,but he had lots of fuel,I want something to cross an ocean by sail,the pioneer 21 says is for offshore cruising,but does it mean to cross the Atlantic or just get far from the coast?
     
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