The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by apex1, Aug 8, 2010.


Which one is your preferred style of long range cruiser?

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  1. michael pierzga
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    Yes indeed Larry..nearly perfect !!! If only the top of the wheelhouse had an observation platform with a nice seat , for checking things out on a beatuful fall afternoon, while sipping your cup of coffee.
  2. apex1

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    No doubt, Willem de Vries Lentsch and Cammenga was a blessed combination. I had a W. de Vries Lentsch design of 33,5 m once, built by Lowland, even a bit better than Cammenga.

    The boat you show is much of the same breed as the "Gentlemans Yacht" here, just missing a few meter LOA. Very nice example, thanks for sharing.


    that would be called a flybridge nowadays, and the boat which is the number one elected at present, has exactly that.

  3. GulfTide
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    Search for 'Nisku'

    Looking for the whereabouts of the canoe stern, William Garden design,,,
    'NISKU' approx. 50 ft. built by Philbrook's shipyard, Sidney, B.C. 1970's...

    The name may have changed... I recall some of you all discussing this boat and I am trying to locate the boat..... A boat of similar William Garden design was 'Sonia' builtby Basil Edmunds,, Garibaldi, Oregon..

  4. Tad
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    Photographs of Nisku appear in post #'s 29 and 47 of this thread, according to the picture in post 29, her current name appears to be Griffin, and homeport is Sitka Alaska.
  5. mark775

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    I saw them on that yacht so it made me think to ask... Richard, do you use Speich clear view windows or is there another brand as good. Do you use heated glass or adhesive attached heated plastic on wheelhouse windows?
  6. Landlubber
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    From my perspective here in aussie land, adhesive attached heated plastic, is called laminated, heated glass is called, toughened glass. Toughened glass is what is used in cars cos it disintegrates to little "safe" pieces when broken, it is entirely UNSUITABLE for boats as we want the pane to remain in place and not fall out. It is however, the most common boat glass there ya go.....
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  8. Landlubber
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    ..........ohhhhhhhhh, such is life........duh.
  9. Typhoon
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    Wow, I've been in the marine and automotive industry here in Australia all my life, and I've NEVER heard toughened glass called heated glass......heated isn't even the technically correct term, it is tempered glass, not merely heated.

    Regards, Andrew.
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  11. yipster
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    yipster designer

    this north sea trailer simulation i thought i might share alrite?
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  12. viking north
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    viking north VINLAND

    As a former north atlantic fisherman, #1 North sea trawler.(very seaworthy)
    For simplicity and economy to build #1 North sea trawler (less superstructure)
    Least amount of gagets to go wrong and repair, #1 North sea trawler(least windows,less cabins, least electrical, least plumbing, and so on)
    Deck space and hoisting gear, #1 North sea trawler, (seadoo,shark cage,large dingy with motor, kayaks,salvage opportunity gear, Deck cargo transport opportunity, and so on, the space for toys as well as earning ones way along.
    Less opportunity for too many passingers(guests) #1 North sea trawler
    Suggested drive system,Single big diesel and a pony diesel with the ability to drive couple it to the main shaft as backup drive. A bow truster, and make that hoisting gear mast a little taller for a motor sailer set up, suggest look at William Hand's designs(i'm a big fan) on his rig set ups. Geo.
  13. apex1

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    Windows are always the ONE brand (you know them already), Fehrmann. The rest is third choice.....

    Tempered, laminated, AND heated are the 4* outer screens, the centre screen is unheated, but has the common rotating screen (alternatively, and my choice, one of the outer screens sports that rotating device, is more convenient).

    *we know a bridge has always 5 windows! (or 7)

    Thank you Yipster! the rules are not so strict, and your contribution is welcome, of course.

    Thanks Viking.

    No pony required. If you do not trust your service, do not go to sea. A well serviced big beef will never let you alone. Some jury rig is not wrong, thats sure, but must not provide more than we could achieve within the given design.

  14. marshmat
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    This seems pretty common, and I really can't figure out why. If you lose the main drivetrain, it's probably for one of two reasons: Either your fuel is so lousy that the engine can't run on it, or you've hit / tangled with something that's damaged the shaft, prop or rudder. In either case, a wing engine or a hydraulic-coupled backup engine will be useless too. What else... fire in the engine room, both are toast. Lightning strike or electrical failure, both are toast (if computer controlled).
    That leaves simple mechanical failure as the only scenario I can think of where a main will die but a wing will work. If the money that would be spent on the wing is put into over-spec'd main components and preventive maintenance, being stranded by mech failure is quite unlikely. For a wing engine to be useful, it needs to be in a separate engine room, with completely independent fuel and electrical systems and for its running gear to be retracted out of harm's way when not in use.
    But this is off topic for the styling thread... sorry Richard....

  15. apex1

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    All well Mate!:cool:
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