The Ideal Cruiser - a long range passagemaker

Discussion in 'Projects & Proposals' started by D'ARTOIS, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. Vega
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  2. D'ARTOIS
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    This is a Koopmans design, probably a 45 ft, built at Folmer's in Friesland - one of the best cascobuilders for the moment. Pirice of the hull today around Euro 70.000,-- ex vat
     
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    Yes, it is a Koopmans, but a 48'.;)

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/vega1954/k430.gif

    I don't like the position of the galley (too open to be pratical in a seaway).

    Tell me if it is difficult or expensive, to propose a diferent interior in a custom built boat? I mean, are there structural difficulties, or is it a simple matter?
     
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    No, you can change the interior at will - If you want to make changes, the interiorbuilder will make iany changes upon your request.
     
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    I agree with you about the kitchen. Not very practical indeed.
    No, it is not difficult to make changes as such. A good interiorbuilder can change anything upon your request.
    The best kitchen is the U or L shape, although cooking whilst sailing in open sea is not very easy. In any case, with the interior lay-out you may play around.
     
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    Have a look at this interior design, which appears to me more practical for long voyages.
    Despite that the head is on the noble starboard side, the location of the berth closed to the inside steering station is practical for the sailors on and off watch. I would remove the door to avoid claustrophobia. The galley in the boat center may well be used at sea and so is the head.
    I would only convert the forward V-berth into my office/work area.
    Of course, I’m also in favor of the freestanding masts.
    http://www.sponbergyachtdesign.com/Globetrotter45.htm
    From the hull shape, I’m more in favor of long and slim lines, but a wide stern.
    If I indeed decide for a lifting keel, than the keel trunk/housing has to be incorporated in the interior design.

    Unfortunately, I can’t post any more images. I either used up my 1 MB allowances, or I messed too much with my personal settings. I’ll see if I find someone administrating this site.
     
  7. Vega
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    Nice interior with lots of space. That boat has a wide stern...I would say that it is wide everywhere. But that one is not a slim boat.
    It is not difficult to have a good interior on a 45' boat, if it is a wide one.


    I like this one, I mean the hull and the dog house, but I find the interior rather disappointing:

    http://photobucket.com/albums/b152/vega1954/?action=view&current=327.gif

    I will try to design a different interior...but it is going to take a long time. I have not much time available.



    D'Artois, if you have more information on this boat (drawings), please send it to me.
     
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    I do prefer your hulll shape (a nice one), not so much the superstruture.

    Take a look at this boat, I think it goes along the same trend:

    http://www.berckemeyer-yacht.de/yachts/cape_45.html

    For me, I like them more "traditional" in style. The Koopmans 327 will look almost like this:

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/vega1954/1q.jpg
    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/vega1954/03_04.jpg
    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/vega1954/12q.jpg
     
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    D'Artois's up comming voyage.

    Dear D'Artois:

    Just thought I would wish you luck on your voyage.

    As I am doing so I would like to ask you a question about boat handling in rough weather.

    If you are caught in storm conditions in a boat with long overhangs and short keel/rudder seperation, what would your survival tactics be. Would you lay ahull? Would you heave to? Would you run with warps? Without them?

    Would your technique be any different from that of handling a boat with short ends and long keel/rudder sepration?

    I am asking you this because I am curious and because you are a man with a good deal of experience with many kinds of boats in bad weather.

    Again. Happy travels.

    Bob
     
  11. espresso
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    The perfect passagemaker even climbs mountains!

    Hello Guys,
    Here is a picture of my Phil Southwell 51 foot being built at the moment in Cape Town.
     

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    Nice boat.:) Can you give more details?
     
  13. lazeyjack

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    build you one or BUY NIMBUS11

    you could have Nimbus 11
    see my gallery for 558000 Eu
    she is equipped with everything, owner is too old to enjoy her , Range under power 1800 miles, all top shelf equipment
    Or I can build anyone any plan first class finish for less than a Euro yard
    Or can build you a hull
    I dont get into debates, too old!
     
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    No I can't cause I don't have 558000 Euros:rolleyes:

    Thanks for the offer, but Australia is only near in the internet. (too far away to be an option).;)
     

  15. lazeyjack

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    depends
    your draft is way to high, cuts out huge amounts of world cruising grounds

    For cost your disp. should be down to max 16 tonne

    your LOA is ok
    needs a walk down transom, see my gallery

    needs to be able to single hand
    need big fuel cap, plus slower e turning max 85 bhp like deere or cummins 4b

    Needs big heavily insulated brine tank suurounded refridge tanks chill down once a day
    Needs a genset so as one does not charge batts or refridge on M/E

    Needs to furl from cockpit

    needs engine driven hyd, pump to haul tackle

    small power pack to power up hydraulic primarys

    needs 135 stability
    needs to be absoluitely watertight. the yachts I built under lloyds had to be just that with high volume 100psi hose on hatches and companionway hatch

    Needs abilty to power up to windward

    you ever owned or built a yacht?





    Who will second the idea to create here on this site a long range cruiser with live-aboard capacities, long enough to live aboard and not too big to be unaffordable.

    My sugestion:

    L 50'
    B 15'
    D 8'

    Rig: Cutter or Schooner

    Building material: Steel

    Who follows?[/QUOTE]
     
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