The end of the world is near....... what Yacht will you build?

It is a forum..... meaning everybody can contribute to your ideas..... trust me there is a lot of safety freak out there..... we have a few guys in my area talk on the same topic over beer and never got bored.

You should add wind mill power at least a few 5 maybe? I have seen boat electrician book with the drawing..... maybe I can scan a page or two for the forum viewing.....

If the sky gloomy than the solar cell would be useless..... the sea level rise would put pressure to the titonic plates thus more eruption and rumble..... wind is a good alternative.
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12054
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11463
http://www.siliconsolar.com/flexible-solar-panels.php
http://www.1st-optima-batteries.com/

Try another way to fish smoked fish....... Internationally ok
http://www.spearfishingextreme.com/images/guns/rob_allen_railgun_2.jpg
http://rocknfish.com/Rollergun.html
http://www.spearfishingextreme.com/

Bilge pump alarm or similar stuff.... get a quality pump or you'll sleep with water in your ear.
http://www.yandina.com/hints.htm#BilgeAlarm

Carbon Monoxide meter and alarm..... if you have a big engine.... CO is a silent killer
http://www.landfallnavigation.com/carbonmonoxide.html

Your lighting on board should have an emergency shut off so the smoker cant see you as you sail away....... like the army car.... stealth eqipped.

You need also a night vision google or glass to see the Smoker in the night over the horizon.

Carry extra sails just in case....... a Junk rig will be a good low maintaince type of sail...... better tear resistance.
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11661

You should remember a small water maker machine will go a long way.......
http://www.airwatercorp.com/detail.aspx?ProductId=6

Try to use good marine toilet equipment.... rough sea will end u up with foul smelly cabin

That's all for now at least....... until I remember.

WDH

 

Hay there

A water maker is a good idea im not familer with how they work or even how to install one, im asuming that it would have to be done before the end of the world, (what does one run on)

also a wind vane is a good option but over here ( in nz) they are pricey but no doubt worth there weight in gold. i will have to look at that further. .

Now nite vision goggles thats a great one.:idea: I think I can score a pair cheap from the local army surplus store ( hope they work), and there would be alot of xtra sails in the forepeak with the sewing machine on the workbench.
im really enjoying this site and can see im going to learn alot.

 

Lucky you, Night vision cost a bomb....... but need one with the range finder.... you want to know how far is those guys from you.......

A infra red laser heat detecter is good for checking engine temp. without touching it...... grab one for luck.....

The water maker webpage is http://www.airwatercorp.com/detail.aspx?ProductId=6

I gonna get some beer and talk in pigeon english with the local pirates..... good nite.

WDH

 

A beer sounds like a good idea and your right i had also better go and spend quality time with my spouse or ele she will start asking questions.

night

wayne

 

Ok, my little bit.
Wayne, I am not so sure about ice being no problem. Ok if you want to regularly sail through ice bergs and nasty cold conditions (personally, I am going to be somewhere much warmer) but otherwise- fancy anchoring, paddling to shore and climbing that mountain, just for a cold drink?

I don't know exactly what I would have, of course it would depend upon how far gone society is. Steel, ok if there is at least some availability of diesel, generators, metal and welding supplies.

Most probably just wood. Just keep a really good set of tools, ie save that precious metal for tools, and fuel for generating power for esential power tools, rather than rusting it out in the open on your hull.
Salvaging from floating boat wrecks is only going to last so long.

So for a 'lone' boat, I don't really know.
But-
Features,
I would definately have a bilge keeler.
No dobt about that.
Being able to dry out and work on the hull, or just park anywhere that will take you, simply has too many advantages over a single keel.

Some sort of unstayed mast that was overenginered for its use, and would never break nor need maintenence- would sound pretty good.
Otherwise it would be simple- to use and to repair.

Basically my 'lone' boat would be set out as a floating factory/workplace/storeroom etc..
Forget about floating around in the sun with a gaggle of bimbo's drinking bacardi.
This is survival.
Every day would be about improving ones chances of survival. everyone on the boat would be there because they can hold their own. I am not saying that this would be an un-pleaurable life- but...

I would focus more on defensability and self sufficiency than speed.
If there were 'smokers' that made their bit by attacking and taking other peoples boats, then one thing they would surely be good at is outrunning boats. If it was a serious threat, then I would make it as painfull as I could for somone to take over my boat.
If they had a choice, it would always be easier to take a fast light boat that was set up for escaping, than a heavy slower boat that was set up for defending.

Speed is good for when you are going somehwere.
But in this waterworld scenario, you are floating on the ocean already, ie. you are already wherever it is you are planning to go. So where are you going man? What is the damn hurry?
The trick is to be able to make the most of where you are.
Water desalinators would be a must. EVERYWHERE. Also, on the other side of this, one would use the salty water to make salt to preserve fish. Dried and pickled

Aside from the 'loner' option, I think that I would set out to form a floating community.
For any decent life, there is simply too much that a self sufficient life from one single boat could not provide.
In this community there would be a large array of different floating boats or barges that would specialize for different functions.
There would be green-house barges, where plants, both food, medicinal and practicle (hemp= food, medicinal, practical and recreational )would be grown from composted food waste and human waste as well as composted sealife- fish and seaweed, mixed with sand to create a viable soil.

Thus there would be composting barges/boats (downwind).
also ones for fermentation and dilstilation of spirits (for fuel and for happiness )
There would be workshop and factory barges, where the smaller boats could be built, slipped and worked upon.
In this fleet there would be a boat that by whatever power options where available, ie. if worst cam to worst then humans on a treadwheel, would pump air to a pressure that would allow divers to go down and salvage stuff from sunken relics of civilastion. Metals, woods, plastics, glass, sealed chemicals, etc etc..
There would be a Hospital, library, water distilation, pleasure, kitchen, etc, etc...

the trick would be to find a certain locality where the fleet could safely live. This might involve seasonal migration. Ideally, every single componet fromt the fleet would be able to self power, even if only under simple square rig sails, with the worst at being able to sail windward, being towed and helped by the best.

Part of this fleet would of course be many smaller boats, for scouting, defense, fishing, etc, etc.
Ideally, if I had set up this community, then I would have my own 'pride of the fleet.' Don't know what yet- that would depend upon what boat you have- if of course you want to join my community .

 

well how can i argue with that, i would love to join your community, and would be more than willing to assist in what ever way i can ( as long as i can go sailing ) I would look at setting up a cafe/restaurant and have seafood on the menu with a seasonal selection of what we were able to grow, I think that would work it would give people a palce to hang out and talk about the good old days.

while the loner option sounded very mad max and appeals alot i guess in reality it wouldnt work, hey but that dosent mean my boat wont be ready for what ever may happen. and yes i would love to spend alot of time sailing in the bergs and my super duper bilge keel racer/semi cruiser could be beached on a block of ice and i could go climbing and skiing. who knows I may want to set up a ski resort, and use an old winch to make a nutcraker to take people up to the top.

dreams are free right??

 

Maybe........

In this senario...... major ice break at the polar.... meaning some melt and some drift, making life dangerous as fiber and aluminium would never stand a chance of abrasive encounter like that......... steel would be ok most with a dent at lower knotspeed.....

I think Wayne is smart as it is better to prepare than hope for a good sun tan.

Then to evade ice and cruise slowly out of danger you will need engine...... motorsailor is an advantage and monohull would be the best choice for this condition....... slim and mean bugger.

If the situation as Chaos as we think it would be....... then you'll find wood and derbis floating everywhere..... this will be a slavage opportunity as the goodies will float for so long before landlocked on unkown new beachs and rot aways..... in a while.

Now for steel the process is slower..... it proberly sink or washed away to further up land........How far is 50M water will take you inland? Very far.... I think.

That why the diving equipment is vital........ you still can go shopping for can food which will be well preserved for a while and steel stuff from building..... remember to bring along underwater welding rods

You'll be surprised...........................

It is a good option this twin keel but if you hit land, do you still need the boat?....................

Junk Rig with 3 front jib.............. Unstayed mast mean you have problem with your wind mill installation.......

Buy a Tug boat....... big one with real power...... OR you need a yacth of at least 100ft for equipment to manufacture and storeroom........ a semi cargo sail yacht.

You need to be fast in finding your bearing, stock check, sail and boat check....... logistic threshold for how long...... find suitable surviver (take along the one with skill)......... communicate with other boat surviver and form defensive mode against hostile intrusion.

Remember you have most water usage like toilet flushing using salt water, so you need to sit down and count how much water you need before buying a RO machine......

I only need a small bucket 15litre to bath(you can soak cloth in water and wipe...more saving)....... 5 litre drinking water and 2 litre for cooking, TOTAL 22 litre a day........ for 2 more person = 22X3= 66 litre........... a small machine would do....... dont jump and buy a villager size machine yet......

1. Of course, the farmer need all the human waste fertilizer for crop planting......
2.You can make soya sauce from fish...... old ways........
3. Sea Urchin taste lovely and nice for the skin
4. Seaweed is a good fiber stuff for eating........ long strand would be 5-8m long
5. Squid hunting with light overhand is fun........ you get tons

Community will drag your resources unless you start trading, all things cost something........., even sex, then acommunity have the desire to stay the same so you'll forget to search for land.......... choose your pack well guys.

I rather grow murshroom....... Happy type........., The normal edible type will spourt everyday for a month before you put somemore ingrident. The loaf of soil pack in plastic is small and doesnt need too much sunlight. You get health and funny mushroom fresh for your pleasure......

You'll be hard to find and bad for trade........ pls consider that

For scout and survey try MOTH with foil....... fast and light

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I think you need to exercise living poor and unacceptable condition before you can understand what to expect........... then you will see every rubbish as usable treasure.......... GOOD LUCK

WDH

 

Welly,
what are you doing to me...
I have too much work to do to even think about replying to all that.

I will pick out a few points,

Icebergs?
Not too likely,
sure right at the poles and at a few remaining glaciers but-
After all, if the sea has already risen, then most of the planets ice has already melted.. Where do you think all the water came from?

Now a mere 50 meter rise in sea level would of course leave a lot of dry land. Ever seen a mountain, hill or highland that is above 50 meters high?
So right from the begining, anyone that is even contemplating this would have chosen to be on a boat, for its benefits, rather than retreating to (or voyage to) higher land.
Thus, with no remaing marina or slip facilities worldwide (they're all 50 meters down), a bilge keeler would be the only way for me.

Fresh water will be gold.
Not just for your own personal survival and fluid needs, but for trade, for growing of food crops, for fermentation, etc.. (you know it might even be fuel if they have worked out the whole hydrogen from water thing)

The factory ship I am thinking of reallywouldn't have to be 100ft. just simple small set ups ready to process and preserve food, and process and manufacture from floating debris - metal wood plastic etc.. And then store just enough for trade, personal use, pluss a bit more, to last the cycle of when it could be expected again.


Trade is what community is all about.
Humans are primarily, historically, and as far as we can tell, prehistorically a social animal. We have formed communities at least large enough to maintain genetic integrity.
With enough of a population, a community's individuals can specialise into different complimentary skills and trades. This allows an individual within the group to have access to a much greater degree and amount of skills than they ever could have got on their own.
Thus we have the boatbuilder, the farmer, the doctor, etc... It is very hard for you and only you to be the boatbuilder, the farmer, the doctor, and all the rest at once. Something has gotta give. Thus a working community is not a drain, it is a resource.
With enough relics from previous civilisation, sure, you could get along quite well for a long time on your own, probably even a few generations or more, but eventually, without the rebuilding of the specialised skills, tools, techniques and processes that have made these things in the first place, then your level of existence would slowly degrade.

Mushrooms are a great idea, they could be grown down in the holds of ships as they need no light, and as many of them will grow from wood, then this is where all of the floating wood that is too rotten to use would be put- so long as you have enough fresh water to leach out all of the salt. On the the top deck level (sunny) of these mushroom boats is where plants might be grown.
[EDIT] make sure that the mushrooms are grown in the fiberglass or steel boats, and they might just begin to spread to your wooden hull.

And now I have gone on for too long..
Gotta go.
Hans.

[EDIT] not sure quite what you mean by
"think to bad you need to exercise living poor and unacceptable condition before you can understand what to expect........... then you will see every rubbish as usable treasure.......... GOOD LUCK"

I agree totally with viewing every peice of rubbish as a usable treasure.
How much is an empty 2 liter plastic coke bottle with a lid worth to a man alone on a desert island?
This is the whole purpose of setting out the boat as a factory/workshop to make use of every peice of rubbish that floats your way.
This sort of way of viewing things is how I was raised, in a lot of ways by my grandfather who could not throw out one little piece of string, mouldy cheese or rusty nail... (a Dutch man, born and rew up in Java, then 5 years of Japanese POW camp before coming to Australia- might have had something to do with it)
When ever I go travelling, for some reason I seem to love going to the places with poor and unacceptable conditions. Sad, but beautifull. Life is real there. These situations are also the primary focus of my studies.
And now I am rambling again.

 

I would go for a large catamaran which, unlike todays versions which evolved from 20th century speed machines, would be heavy and somwhat slow. It wouldn't be faster than any mono the same length. It would be somewhat under sparred and over built.

The main reason I chose a cat is to take advantage of the large deck space that would be available. On this deck, which does not tilt appreciably under sail, I could run any number of operations. These can be anything from fishing (space to dry the fish) to even farming.

Growing even a small amount of citrus could be quite a profitable venture. Sail making and repair could also be done on this huge deck.

Most likely, after the initial shake out (masive dying off of uncountable numbers of hapless unfortunates) a society of nautical nomads would likely occur. They would be nomads because they would have to follow migrations of marine life and because they would have to trade with 'lands people'. This is how the construction and maintanence of future boats will be posssible.

ther are plenty of examples of nomatic peoples already. Inuit and Bedouins come first to mind. Aborigenies in the Outback, by my understanding, were also nomads.

As for the initial disaster itself:

Even in the Judeo-Christian Bible, as flinty and hard hearted as it usually is, Noah suffered greatly AFTER the flood, having seen, first hand all the death and carnage.

The toughest part would be for the first generation to get through this.

Bob

 

Yes, Sharpii2, I like multi-hull also as you have mention of the deck and the sort of stuff you can do.......... but catamaran is beamy thus ice encounter will endanger the boat. These ice are not actually seen during the day but night as we conserve electricity and run on sail that will be dangerous....... meaning when you cant see the moon then it is resting journey time.

Near to Bontang........ 300 km from my place, some small group of people SUKU BAJAU...... These sea gypsies stay,live, marry,birth and die on their boat, the boat size is no larger than LOA 3M and beam 1M......... whole life.
They have trader barter the fish for clothes,other food stuff, gas,water and money. Great news is I heard some of them was forced to go abroad to vote for president....... I think the had landsick

The HongKong Junk resident are less waterbound..... they save money from high unrealistic rent, while water present a whole world by itself, the trive like a city by itself........

If anybody saw the movee CHOCOLATE then they will see the European river gypsie....... It is rumour that gypsie were the former slave of egyptian that ran away........

These above people will lived on a boat as if nothing have change.......

The next gen X children will have golden hair.............. salty water and wind, look like Bod Martely fan club........with gold hair.

Can anybody imagine 50M of sea-level rise? almost 15 Floors........., if my calculation is wrong and does rise further....... bye bye forum for sure....

Aprox. 60% world population stay in low land city near to sea, imagine Aceh senario in every countries..........

WDH

 

I also like the cat option for the space, and utility. And I like the idea of a overbuilt heavy strong boat, mono, cat or tri.

Welly, I don't really know where exactly you would be going? For icebergs in this hemisphere you must be on your way to Antarctica?

It is a beautifull continent, and if temperatures had warmed up considerably, then after a few decades or centuries when plants and trees and animals got a good foothold then it would make a good new home.

But also, it has been estimated that if ALL of the ice melted from both poles, (which istelf would be very unlikely especially in Antarctica) then the sea level would rise 65 meters. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/askjack/2004-11-21-melting-polar-ice_x.htm

So your figure of 50 meters would be at the extreme of what would be possible, with polar ice largely only remaining above sea level, in mountain glaciers and snow caps. Ie, there would be very little glacier ice that would make it to the ocean, thus there would be no icebergs.

For a great google map editor to see what a sea level rise up to 14 meters would look like, check this out.
http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=16.3412,97.3388&z=12&m=7

As you can see, at only 14 meters, there is still SOO much land left.

Someone here
http://resumbrae.com/archive/warming/100meter.html
has done a few maps indicating what a global sea level rise of 100 meters would look like. (I posted the global least detailed one)
Even here, you can see that living on a boat would be a choice rather than a necessity.

 

The flood maps are a start, but I don't trust any of them. I mean the 100 meter flood (last link above) shows the Great Lakes exactly the same, what's up with that?

Sea levels and fresh water levels don't even match up, how is that possible - would the Great Lakes become brakish/brine?

The 14 meter rise shows what really worries people, New York, Hong Kong........many major cities are costal ones - all flooded. World population areas are not evenly distributed on the land, most cities located on fresh water rivers or even deltas.

All that said................the maps are eye openers, maps showing the ice would help us much more - hard to live under a glacier.

 

I don't see the Ark among the poll's options....

 

You could always use a large ferrie or passenger ship for an ark there alot of room on one of those?

 

Ok Guys...... I agree with Kach22i........ I wont agree to the map..... I have senn Aceh destruction man........ fricking water from broken ice mass and rapid melt down would cause a uneven volume of water....... the fast water will rush to the equatorial area hitting major country causing Tsunami........... not slow rise indicate by the scientist

1. Fast crazy Tsunamic...... tower of sea fury
2. Most population live at costal because of the Trade or simple bustling livestyle
3. Most our logistic at major city are in costal cities........
4. Most ship and boat are in marina and dock waiting for destruction...........
5. Sea water will ride further into land before withdraw to it estimate level of 50M meaning they could reach a record 150 m up and 50 Km more than our expectant...... due to force of nature and our good western world canal and river system.
6. Flat land country with vast non-hilly terra will be bye-bye.
7. land polluted with sea water will turn to swamp or goo piss pot as the salt and mineral will destroy crop and animal...... turning land into waste barren.
8. Dead bodies will turn into plauge as too much corpse to be clear in one go.
9. More people will die from starvation........ most baby count from diaree.
10. Murder and crimminal level will be highest as half of everybody arm forces and police are dead from the rise.
11. Security problem as the weaker countries maybe invade by surviving countries for its leftover resource like oil and fuel...... food and medical items.
12 NOW imagine this all happened in winter time.......... I will see iceberge infront of my home soon.

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1.I see rise of water level will increase humidity and change cloud pattern thus emerged great typoon, storm and electric magnetic charge.

2.I see a great land of green part....... that from the sat. view....... the river widen and water everywhere in fast fury, sat picture dont see small distruction.

3.dead people and dead livestock and bateria, germ......... does the sat. picture show all this?

4.A rendering of a boat doesnt mean you can see a bolt loose or an unwelded area of the boat baby........ think again

That my 2 C........... pls put of Murphy Law into the equation.



WDH