Speed Dream 27 Prototype

I can read, so not uninformed. And these other words are just that - words. Unsubstantiated, as usual. And I'm not the first, nor will i be the last, to challenge the rhetoric that this individual continuously foists upon this and other forums.

 

Is DL the forum moderator? Sure seems like it. Sure drains all the enthusiasm out of trying to continue a thread

 

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I'm no moderator but I won't put up with personal attacks in the course of a "discussion"-thats SA not boatdesign.

 

Suggestion: when responding to what you see as personal attacks, it may be a good idea to avoid wallowing in them yourself. Not that I wish to play moderator or anything.

If there's no more information about this boat forthcoming, I'll give this thread a miss.

 

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I don't think I was doing that at all. You see, I have personal knowledge that the adjectives used to describe the behaviour I objected to were accurate.

 

Speed Dream 27

This is the very first post in this thread. Some comments in it have been called hype, for instance where the potential speed of the 27 is referenced.
"Computer models.......". If you are a designer and in doing your work with a prototype design you find that the potential speed of the boat is approaching 30 knots, wouldn't you want potential investors and others to know??!! Yet this statement has been ridiculed as "hype". Not only that, it has become part of the so called "claims" ascribed to Vlad-when in fact he simply relayed to us the information from his computer analysis because he thought it was worth talking about. Unfortunately, I think the reality of developing a radical new boat will tend to create a type of reaction among the less informed that is almost always negative. Makes it hard to see how such important information can reasonably be shared when the first reaction is so off the wall and when the facts are simply ignored. Facts like "Computer models suggest that the boat will easily sail at speeds approaching 30 knots."
And the 11' Moth is already above thirty knots......I think that there has to be some recognition of the fact that Vlad has been extremely forthcoming even after getting in trouble for reporting some computer results......He has shared many details so far about the sailing of the prototype and when the time is right there will be much more.

 

Why the hostility?

So what if Vlad is boasting about his latest design? Perhaps he has found that this is an effective way to raise capital to actually have something built. It would not be my style but I've never attempted to raise big $$$ to build a design either, so I can't really know if I could get it done using a different approach. The performance results of his efforts will be the proof. These forums are full of designs ideas that are never realized, so I'll just wait and see how he does.


Also, I don't have a problem with Doug Lord and his enthusiasm for particular designs. If I don't like what he posts, I won't read it.

I don't see any examples where he begins personal attacks against others. If that was the case, the moderator would have terminated his account.

Please use the ignore feature if you find DL's posting content to be irritating.


I find these forums to be like a virtual University of all things Nautical so I am appreciative for all the contributions from it's members and these repetitive cycles of hostility diminish an otherwise great resource.

 

If personal attacks are not to be tolerated, then what is this post over on the thread titled, Thomas Coville on Sodebo challenging Cadix - San Salvador record in the Multihulls section? http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/mu...llenging-cadix-san-salvador-record-46155.html

Isn't this really a large helping of disingenuous, while you school marm scold other members about etiquette? Andy and others have this right and you should back away so that a full representation of ideas can be presented.

 

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I'm not sure I follow you at all! When I read the post on SA about Coville I was greatly saddened-hence the use of the words "Sadly, from....SA". I've been following Coville and his boats for years and this misfortune is very sad and it could be very serious. I like and respect the guy as much as any person on earth!

 

Monohull beats cat-again

When the discussion turns to a monohull beating a cat I usually point to the Moth that has done just that many times over in boats under 20'. Now there is a story I'm trying to track down of a race in Auckland NZ between a Moth and an AC 45-can you guess who won?
I was told there was a race in Auckland where a Moth beat an AC 45...... Anybody have any info?

 

Considering that it has zero to do with the SD 27 protoype, why are you raising a completely off-topic matter that does nothing to clarify the questions people keep asking?

 

Speed Dream

Sorry, but I think it is extremely relevant since the Speed Dream ultimate goal is to beat multihulls and anything else that sails on water. If the 11' Moth monohull actually beat an AC 45 it goes to show that the long range goal is definitely possible especially considering that the Moth is already the fastest sailboat under 20'.

 

Not seeing the logic here. Since the Moth's performance is reliant on the foils and Vlad M as stated that Speed Dream is not a foiler how exactly is this relevant to the SD27?

 

It's not. It's just another instance of DL creaming himself whenever someone mentions foils, and randomly inserting his mania into any thread regardless of topic.

But I'm sure you knew that.

 

Speed Dream

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Speed Dream's goal is to be the fastest sailboat period-not with the 27 but with the final boat. Speed is what this program is all about. Vlad has not used foils on the 27 prototype but has not ruled out their use as the testing proceeds if he feels they are warranted. In the meantime, any sailboat that demonstrates great speed-particularly a monohull vs a cat is of great interest to him and to me. It's all part of the quest for speed....
I don't yet know whether this "race" between the Moth and AC 45 actually happened-still have no corroborating information.