Small, independant living units, on water ? - Possible ?

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  1. rwatson
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    rwatson Senior Member

    You can disagree with facts as much as you like - but boat explosions/fires ARE rare.



    If you die from drowning, or you die from burns or asphyxiation - you are still dead its just as awful.



    I found these full analysis of statistics from the USCG for 2012 at
    http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_statistics.aspx

    it seems to be the latest set of figures available.


    "In 2012, the Coast Guard counted 4515 accidents that involved 651 deaths,
    3000 injuries" Page 6

    12 Million + registered boats Page 67



    Page 35 - FIRE EXPLOSION
    Fire-explosion death numbers, all 3 types = 5 ( 3 deaths from carbon Monoxide Poisoning )

    Fire-explosion injury numbers, all 3 types = 97 ( 25 injuries from carbon monoxide poisoning )


    Note that 300 + deaths came from capsize or falling overboard



    Death/Injury from Fire/Explosions are very rare !
     

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  2. Rurudyne
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    Well, yeah, that goes without saying for me as well.

    The other day I came across a picture of a sign that I posted in the jokes thread. This sign was for inner tube rentals and they had added a rule forbidding anything that began with the words "Hey, y'all, watch this!"
     
  3. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    What about diesel stoves ? I have seen some pretty flash ones on the web but not used one.
    Are they a bit dirty / difficult ?

    Diesel stoves are usually selected where the heat radiating from the stove is a delight.

    A winter in frozen water is no problem with a good diesel range and a big fuel tank.

    The problem is they take a while to start and get to cooking temperature.

    No big deal where its lit in Oct and secured in May.

    Primus kerosene or Propane is the norm in warm places where speed is needed.
     
  4. Navygate

    Navygate Previous Member

    Rwatson,
    I see at the end of your post you exclaim that DEATH by fire is rare.
    Perhaps this is where the confusion lies.
    Not that boat fires are rare but that death by boat fires is rare.
    That makes much more sense to me.
    Thank you.
     
  5. brian eiland
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    brian eiland Senior Member

    Lets move on, Heads rather than Stoves

    So everyone has an opinion on how to fuel their stoves,
    .....but I think the question of a proper sanitation device is MUCH more of an important discussion to be having on a liveaboard vessel. Officialdom is not going to ban you over your stove type, but be assured they will be VERY interested in your toilet type

    Here is a rather long subject thread that I would hope would prove interesting if nothing more than due to its number of postings (I've not had time to review it, just found it):
    http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f115/composting-toilet-natures-head-85662.html
     
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  7. brian eiland
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    Guaranteed Dock Space

    And this was a most interesting claim/guarantee

    http://eco-seacottage.net/Guaranteed_Dock_Space.html
     
  8. rwatson
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    rwatson Senior Member

    If you actually looked at the statistics -
    Page 35 for example

    There were ~ 300 accidents in total, resulting in those 5 deaths, ~ 100 injuries

    Thats about .003 % - so, even accidents of fuel/explosion are very rare you will be pleased to note.

    I guess they just tend to get more press if they are spectacular.
     
  9. Rastapop
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    Rastapop Naval Architect

    Ha, yes, very interesting!

    They'll be $750 better off if they don't find you a berth...

    Is it just me, or does the "house-cat" in the top right corner of that linked page look (badly) photoshopped? The house seems to be at a different angle to the hulls, there are trees reflected in the window, and I'm only guestimating but that house looks too heavy for those hulls riding that high...
     
  10. Rurudyne
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    Rurudyne Senior Member

    The house you reference does look a bit hinkey.

    As for the $750, it's chicken feed for prices starting at $299K! That would be like Ford offering you an free extra cup holder if you take some challenge and acting like it was a good deal.
     
  11. parkland
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    parkland Senior Member

    If we are talking about "living units", and cost effectiveness, why are we talking about single hull boats at all?

    Bang for your buck, take a mobile home, and put it on a pontoon system!

    You can get pontoon kits for 100 + ft long, so get a 100 ft x 16 unit, put the mobile home on it, and still have a 30 ft or so deck, and a mobile home is insulated and has all you need to live in.
    Put on a 100 - 200 hp outboard, and an outdoor command bridge, and cruising you can go.

    100,000$ will get you a 22x70 platform, with 3 42" pontoons, and the aluminum framing, and transoms.
    60,000 lb capacity.

    So 100k$ plus a mobile home, a lot of room for cheap, opposed to a tiny cramped monohull.

    And aluminum, so minimal costs and maintenance.
     
  12. Rurudyne
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    Rurudyne Senior Member

    Serious: your standard mobile home design might need some real tweaking. Yes, having been built to be moved they are better built than stick-built houses; but, I don't think constant motion is part of their design specs.

    Humorous: I don't know if you are old enough, or remember James Carville's disparaging comment about trailer parks if you are, but in light of said comment I've always got a kick out of just how much President Clinton's library looks like a mobile home. Though, while it is somewhat near shallow water, it would take some seriously huge pontoons to float it....

    ... Oh, and they might just put up a teensy tiny fuss if someone tried.
     
  13. Rastapop
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    Rastapop Naval Architect

    Yes, it's not a significant amount. It's just that they have an incentive to fail: finding you a berth costs than an extra $750, so why would they bother?
     
  14. Navygate

    Navygate Previous Member

    Rwatson,
    I believe your interpretation of the statistics to be flawed.
    Are you an insurance adjuster by chance?
    In my experience, boat fires are not rare by any stretch of the imagination.
    And their level of potential damage, especially at a dock, is staggering.
    I know of boats that have been sunken and recovered three times over!
    I've never heard of a full recovery from a catastrophic on board fire.
    But, I don't want to argue with you so,
    you are right, boat fires are rare.
    :)
     

  15. Rurudyne
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    Thing is, if I understood them right what you get isn't $1,500 cash but $1,500 towards the purchase, at best a 1/2 of 1% discount on what you have to buy to get anything "back" of your $750 ... and then only if you quickly reserve what they find for your use.

    So it seems to me that we are both right. It is the same sort of "inducement to buy" as I've recently on products that, in big font, may say "60% MORE" and then, in a much smaller font, continue "than our 5 serving size" (i.e. It's on an 8 serving size box being sold at regular price) but it's no skin off their back if they can't find anything.

    Aside: I'm beginning to see that the description of the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation was smack dab on the beam. ;)
     
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