Shaft-generator on Tall ship

Discussion in 'Props' started by Nescio, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Nescio
    Joined: Jan 2020
    Posts: 1
    Likes: 0, Points: 1
    Location: Netherlands

    Nescio New Member

    Hello,

    Aboard a tall ship we want to use our generators less and charge our batteries at night by means of the wind (thus extracting power from the shaft).

    We have a three blade propeller with a diameter of 1.5 [m], pitch of 0.92 [m] a J of 36.5 and a Fa/f of 56%. I assume its a Wageningen B-series since the prop is from 1978. The maximum RPM during sailing is 450 and when steaming 375.

    Does anyone have data about how much power we can extract during sailing and at what RPM. This data is crucial for the selection of a shaft generator, we're thinking of a 3kW permanent magnet since these generators work at low RPM.

    Regards,

    Marco
     
  2. gonzo
    Joined: Aug 2002
    Posts: 14,555
    Likes: 683, Points: 123, Legacy Rep: 2031
    Location: Milwaukee, WI

    gonzo Senior Member

    Is the propeller fixed pitch or adjustable? You also need to consider the wear and tear on the transmission if it is turning continuously.
     
  3. bajansailor
    Joined: Oct 2007
    Posts: 1,303
    Likes: 375, Points: 83, Legacy Rep: 37
    Location: Barbados

    bajansailor Marine Surveyor

    BlueBell likes this.
  4. RooieDirk
    Joined: Feb 2020
    Posts: 1
    Likes: 0, Points: 1
    Location: Netherlands

    RooieDirk New Member

    The max power you can get is not depending on rpm (as long your generator is making enough, but that is only gearing) You can calculate the power available with
    P = 0.5 x 1025 x 16/27 x V x V x V x pi x r x r
    Where P = power in Watts, V = speed in m/s, pi = 3.14 and r is radius of prop.
    A quick calc gives for your 1.5m prop at 6 knots a power of 15kW (in theorie;-) )
    With a lot of losses in gear etc 5kW at 6knots should be possible.

    The formula is the same as calculating the power for windturbines, only the specific weight of water is much higher as that of air.
     
  5. DCockey
    Joined: Oct 2009
    Posts: 4,730
    Likes: 325, Points: 83, Legacy Rep: 1485
    Location: Midcoast Maine

    DCockey Senior Member

    That equation looks like it is based on actuator disk theory or similar. Such a formula will provide an upper limit of the power which can be extracted based on diameter and free stream velocity. How much of that limit which can be achieved will depend on the propeller characteristics.
     

  6. Adler
    Joined: Jan 2010
    Posts: 162
    Likes: 14, Points: 18, Legacy Rep: 139
    Location: PIRAEUS - GREECE

    Adler Senior Member

    Hello Marco,

    Could you please explain "The maximum RPM during sailing is 450 and when steaming 375." ?
    If we understood well ; The correct meaning of your notice indicates that the angular speed of propeller's shaft when is trailed on sailing mode (450) is greater than this when is acting on engine mode (375) if the hull speed rate is the same on both modes or what was the hull speed rate - when you carried out the measurments in each case - of propeller's shaft angular speed ?
     
Loading...
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.