Semidisplacement cruiser hull

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Zoran NSD, Nov 9, 2021.

  1. Zoran NSD
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    Hi friends
    Looking desperately for my ideal boat, I found one old Bayliner model, a 2270 Explorer. Good interior space, conventional but usable deck, and, the most important- hull that can be powered with wide range of power.
    20-40 HP good for lakes and channels, but without deep-V issues , 120 HP for some speed .
    Of course, shortest way will be to check some adds, find some good specimen, and drive it home, or find some neglected project boat and provide yourself hobby for next 10 years .
    Right way , but I am in Europe, eastern Europe, where used production boats are rare, and hard to import .
    To build it is far more easier.
    So, my question is - does anyone knows for plans of similar design ?
    BAsic: 20-22 ft , flat to shallow V on stern, hull deep enough to arrange cabin with (close to) standing headroom, width under 8-6" .
    thank you in advance
     
  2. Tops
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    Hello Zoran, I think you get more comments when you add a picture or two.
    Sorry I cannot help with a set of plans that are similar.
    All the best!
     
  3. Zoran NSD
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    Tops

    Thank you for pictures.
    You are right , it is easier with some visual aid .
    Despite it is hard to find it. It is quite old boat, and it seems not many is produced (or left).
    In classifieds there are just few of them, in Europe-none .
     
  4. Mr Efficiency
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    If it is too difficult to import or buy second-hand locally, it makes me wonder why there are not boats being built locally to take up the slack ? Not enough demand ? Anyway, what kind of material would be most available at an economical price, to build from, where you are ?
     
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  7. Zoran NSD
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    Well, I am in Serbia, with Danube river as a main (daily) aquatory, bit, a real Germ, east Croatian Adriatic coast, is just 6-7 hours drive.
    Why not build? well there is a many builders, but, typically , they all make same - some Danube -style long 7narow/shallow boat, similar to your Garvey's .
    For anything bigger, there is some hard to make individual import, or numerous shops, producing metal "freaks".
    Concerning material, almost all materials are available- GRP, plywood, wood/epoxy, but majority of individual constructions are steel and, recently- aluminum .
    Import is not so tricky, but, as further one go from big markets ( Netherlands, UK, France) prices are higher, choice is narrow, and condition of boat is bad.
    To go abroad , stay there couple of days, pay all taxes, papers, tow-boat back- and you already burn 1000+ EURO . Than, add 25% of import duties . And you throw away couple thousands, out of boat price- just to have beautiful - project! So, to "compensate" mentioned costs, our waters are now a museum of European boat-building industry of 70' !
    Some professional importers, bring boats from 1969, 1974. boat from 1985 is considered as "almost new " !
    Of course, DIY is also expensive project, but, at last, you do not need wait months or years, to find right boat for the right price ...
     
  8. Zoran NSD
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    Fallguy
    Thank you for suggestions. I omit to put in my first post that I am familiar with Bateau, Glen-L plans. Aa well as Tom Lathrope , Paul Gartside, Atkins, Fisher, Dix, VDS ...
    Intentionally, since, most to all of these designs I saw just on paper, not in reality ! So, I hope that someone (in US) have experience with some plans, eventually modification.
    Since, as far as I can see, even on reference design (Bayliner 2270) she have distinctive " raised sheer" (on color-picture, red top-part of hull ) obviously designed to make hull deeper, allowing for trunk cabin with some standing headroom .
    I am finding such design as more interesting than, DE 23, DE25 , True Grit , from couple of reasons :
    - distinctive pilot house as main saloon and accommodation, is good for cold climate, but not for south ( 2270 have pilot house, bit it can be easy converted to windshield + hardtop )
    - glassing of such pilot house, to be done properly, is heavy and expensive.
    - wall toward cockpit , on such constructions, is also expensive, complex and heavy
    Another good example of boat i like is Hardy Pilot 20
    https://www.nya.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/hardy-20_1512482012.jpg

    With above "cons" someone will react - "go by express cruiser2 !
    And that was my initial idea. Until I have try some of those : living under canvas top is not some thrill, passage to bow is close to suicide, angled sport deck is good for nothing than sliding, rail is more for show, cockpits are usually too shallow and, all of them are deep-V constructions, asking for big inboards . Many people here buying such boats, since , for relatively small price, they have complete "drive away" yacht, with all fancy cushions, helms, interior, etc. But they pull out big-blocks, close transom and clamp some small 4-strooke outboard.
    Facing with a lot of problems ( pitch, low-speed stability) and in generally- fake boat !
    Like Lincoln with lawnmower motor!
     
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    You can get away with changes to the cabins on say the de25. To build up higher requires switching to foam, but I would anyway as foam offers some r value.

    what you need to find is the hull and then design the cabin to your liking

    so, search for a hull first and don't get wrapped up in looks

    that Bayliner 2270 is a gas hog, by the way, a nice stitch n glue plywood design with a foam superstructure will be lighter and do much better on fuel
     
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  11. Zoran NSD
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    You are right ! I am looking, basically, for the hull , deep/high enough . Regardless is particular design open fisherman, Carolina style or cabin cruiser . In deed, cabin can be modified .
    But, frankly, exploring few dozens of ideas in Sketchup, I learn that just deck design is so hard and complex , that is obvious why big boatyards paying designers for that job . It just look easy...

    speaking about 2270 as " gas hog" , she is obviously old Bayliner craftmanship, weighting almost 2 tons for 22 ft .
    I believe that with some modern outboard (i.e115HP) or even better, a turbodiesel, consumption will be more acceptable .
     
  12. Zoran NSD
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    intersting suggestions !

    thank you, I will explore it immediately, since both designers are new for me. Actualy, this is a reason why I open this topic. I explore (almost) all popular and well know designers, but I have feeling, that there is more .
     
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    The sheer can also be adjusted on most any boat; fyi.
     
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    The type of waterways and how "disturbed" the water can become, for which the boat is intended, should be the first thing outlined, what will be perfectly adequate for one application, could be insufferable in another.
     
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