Poor man’s passagemaker

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Milan, Sep 24, 2010.

  1. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    In Finland not even the bottoms.. seen twice during the last 30yrs. But thats drawbacks of living 70deg north, not too many days of good "playa" weather..
     
  2. dskira

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    Peter is she the Dixon Kemp's designed Amazon?

    Daniel


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  3. peter radclyffe
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    yes Daniel
     
  4. Wavewacker
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    LOL, back on track, so what became of those smaller boats selling on ebay? And, that definition of going into unfamiliar territories, does that mean the passagemaker needs to be piolted by the faint of heart or unskilled? If so, I would think a much larger boat would be needed. What is the comfort level needed, being on deck sipping pina coladas or being straped in to prevent injury?

    Those are extrems I know, but a poor man's passagemaker, what is wrong with Yrvinds Project Boat, a Paradox on steriods? And he is in the North Atlantic areas with that small tank. Similar boats have been on several crossings and around the Horn.

    And, what happens to going into areas such as the Everglades, with a draft of less than two feet or running up on a beach of sandbars or islands? Is the term "passagemaker" exclusive to blue water and icebergs?
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I see what you mean . . . Here she is in her former colors as the Mauna Loa before she was renamed.

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    She was a 1907 Steam Yacht, twin Gardners since 1947. (rebuilt by Gardner 2002/2005 says the ad)

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  6. wardd
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    did I hear gardner?
     
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    Did ya hear 1947 :D
     
  8. wardd
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    but it's english, they didn't change a design for decades or until a new monarch ascended the thrown , whichever was longer
     
  9. apex1

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    These are not passagemakers,
    thats wrong.

    Moitessier, Slocum, you can choose, have circumnavigated the world on floating debris!

    A motoryacht, capable of cruising the world in safety is another world.

    T H E R E I S N O "P O O R M A N S" PASSAGEMAKER. As there is no poor mans executive jet! Get it, you have the money to play in this sandbox, or you don´t. And now call me a eliterian again <removed>.
     
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    What waiting for summer... so you don't freeze
     
  11. Pierre R
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    You get busy for a while and threads can reach pages in a matter of days. I have looked long and hard at the poor man's passagemaker and I have to agree that in the true sense of it there is no such thing as even a modest boat costs a terrific amount of money just to cross on it's own bottom.

    Since poor man's really means long lean and light to get the economy. That eliminates poor man's boats that are really below about 55'. The only way I could find to lick this problem was to accept less that go anywhere and design a boat that was optimized for shipping on the deck of a RO-RO boat. If done right, the freight charges are less than what you can cross on your own bottom provided you know how to shop for RO-RO shipping.

    A boat of around 40' LOA (12m) and a beam of 12' (3.6m) or less and a keel to top height of less than 14' (4.2m) that will sit fine without a cradle is what you want. Somewhere around the 14,000 lb light ship would put you in a build cost of around $200k. You would also want to build in lifting rings and points similar to shipping containers so the same equipment can be used. Finish would be that of commercial grade and systems would be rather simple with an ideal setup for two people.

    If you do it right you should be able to go to most places for far less than the cost of a true passagemaker and get nearly the same benefits.
     
  12. mydauphin
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    The cheapest way to travel is to hitchhike, or buy ticket on a plane, and walk your way across Europe. Having your own boat is never cheap. But I know literally thousands of people that live on their boats and enjoy it. It can cost very little to live on a boat. They can't move their boat because they can't afford to eat and pay their bills without working. It is not the boat that can't travel but them. Once you pay for the boat you can go to a cheapy marina or anchor out. But then what money are you going to spend, most people just don't have the money... Don't blame the boat. Now if you are retired or on disability - thats the ticket.. Use other peoples money...or save your own.
     
  13. Bruce46
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    Poor man's passagemaker

    To me, the key to this thread was the statement "She has to be cheap and easy to build, use and maintain, very fuel efficient. That means long, narrow hull with a sharp bow. Cruising speeds 4 – 8 knots." It is clear that some feel that passage making is only achievable on a ship, thus the need for a Grenna or a big old Gardner. However, for those of us who are not ceo's of large companies vessels of that size are not feasible. Although I don't care for the looks of the Diesel Ducks they have proven that they are capable of crossing large expanses of ocean and can be built in a backyard for reasonable cost. Personally I lean more towards Tad Roberts Passagemaker lites. These vessels do not require immense iron monsters in their bellies to move. For emergency power a few pieces of canvas do quite well.
     
  14. apex1

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    Is that clear?
    Then you have misunderstood something. One of the three designs discussed on my threads is in fact Tad´s Passagemaker light! The others are ships, yes, but only one will have a Grenaa Diesel.

    Only by definition George Buehlers boats are cheap! In reality they are not! Too heavy for the intended purpose, they come out as expensive or even above a "good" design. The Chinese built Ducks, and the Turkish built Ellemaid have proven that!*
    And they are underpowered, making them unsafe in certain circumstances. But with a bit of goodwill, one could call them poormans passagemakers. The 50ft Duck at 650k$ is not long enough, and only for the extremely poor, the Ellemaid 71 at 950k$ being for the very poor then.
    In case one would like a good boat, with a safe and convenient performance, and a refrigerator for at least two steaks on a ocean crossing, the PML at 74 would be the poor mans passagemaker then. He should be prepared for a price tag around 2mio$, the same as for my Trawler.

    Regards
    Richard
    *I can build far better designed, crafted and furnished boats of similar sizes in Europe at just a few $$$ above.
     

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    LOL! I'd buy a plane and haul a Klepper!
     
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