Pedal Powered Boats

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Guest625101138, Jul 14, 2008.

  1. Scheny
    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posts: 72
    Likes: 5, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 47
    Location: Vienna/Austria

    Scheny Junior Member

    I would like to create a freely available collection of data about human powered boats including a calculator based on this values.

    If you can pass me information about human powered boats, I will collect it and make the information available. This may help anybody interested in building his perfectly fitting purpose built boat.

    Interesting would be:
    • type of hull
    • length
    • width
    • wetted area
    • speed at cadence
    • top speed

    I will try to find correlations in form factor and wetted area which will lead to a formula for realistic calculation of future boats.

    Best regards, Andreas
     
  2. spidennis
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 519
    Likes: 11, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 124
    Location: south padre island, texas

    spidennis Chief Sawdust Sweeper

    Dave, this is Great, thanks! you got my gears turning now! Having both reverse and freewheeling sure would be nice! I've also learned about other bikes (weird ones) that have the freewheeling in the crank.
     
  3. Coach Dave
    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posts: 70
    Likes: 4, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 40
    Location: Malabar, FL

    Coach Dave Junior Member

    The APC 20x15E prop is 1.06" wide where it attaches to the hub. That is a fairly large size to fit inside a U-channel then tuck in behind a spinner. I could increase the diameter of the spinner but smaller would be better to reduce drag and not catch weeds. If I trimmed the prop root down from 1.06" wide to say 0.50" I could use a smaller spinner but I'm concerned that I would weaken the prop root too much. I'm thinking that a purpose built folding prop would be a better choice.

    Dave
     
  4. portacruise
    Joined: Jun 2009
    Posts: 1,476
    Likes: 178, Points: 63, Legacy Rep: 218
    Location: USA

    portacruise Senior Member

    Hi, coach:

    Yes, on purpose built folder. Cuts losses from breakage and bent tips under load plus you get more efficient custom blade design and possibly smaller diameter.

    I haven't found anything that is really weed free, except maybe with light vegetation. Have tried folders, weedless troll props, cutters. One of several reasons that Rick mounted the folder within arms length to clear weeds. Lifting the prop to clear the water and spinning to fling off weeds works well for me, but there is still the occasional hand clearing required.

    A reverse auger built on the surface of the flex shaft might help by keeping weeds away from the prop. I never did find the right pitch and depth to the stairs in my application.

    P.

     
  5. spidennis
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 519
    Likes: 11, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 124
    Location: south padre island, texas

    spidennis Chief Sawdust Sweeper

    Too bad these aren't readily available, I'd like to start out with one from the get go. As it is I guess I'll start out with the easy to get and cheap APC and once I got a system working refine it from there. I can work on my skilz to build props after that. It would also be nice to have a spare since I'd be doing extremely long and remote trips.
     
  6. Coach Dave
    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posts: 70
    Likes: 4, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 40
    Location: Malabar, FL

    Coach Dave Junior Member

    For a light, low drag boat you could use an APC 16x16 prop. For a larger boat with more drag the 20x15E is a better choice. Or if you want a "Texas-sized" prop go for the 26x15E. In the absence of prop slip the 16" prop moves through 1.9 cubic feet of water each revolution, 20" through 2.7 CF and 26" through 4.6 CF. The bigger props are better at low speed, high thrust and are a liability in shallow water.

    Dave
     
  7. portacruise
    Joined: Jun 2009
    Posts: 1,476
    Likes: 178, Points: 63, Legacy Rep: 218
    Location: USA

    portacruise Senior Member

    I've found that by continuously adjusting/reducing the depth of submersion for the prop, you can run at various degrees of surface piercing from full immersion and get through sections of shallows with a large prop. Seems to be better with weeds also, as you don't get a tangle on shaft since most are flung off the tips. Running at surface piercing mode for extended distance might not be practical as it would reduce the speed considerably, compared to full immersion. Maybe one place where a sprocket cluster would help with the gear ratio...

    P.
     
  8. spidennis
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 519
    Likes: 11, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 124
    Location: south padre island, texas

    spidennis Chief Sawdust Sweeper

    I like that idea of variable depth selection for shallow water! I'll be keeping that in mind. Three settings, full, shallow and stowed.
     
  9. spidennis
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 519
    Likes: 11, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 124
    Location: south padre island, texas

    spidennis Chief Sawdust Sweeper

    Rick has just uploaded a new video.
    A carbonfiber folding prop!
    and I like the peddle crank system. cool.

     
  10. Submarine Tom

    Submarine Tom Previous Member

    Do you have a link there Spidy-man?

    -Tom
     
  11. spidennis
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 519
    Likes: 11, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 124
    Location: south padre island, texas

    spidennis Chief Sawdust Sweeper

    did the youtube video not post?
    it shows on my end, oh well, here's the link:
    http://youtu.be/ONk3fUnHamI
    http://youtu.be/ONk3fUnHamI
    Rick has some slick stuff going on there!
    I was thinking about using CoachDave's bicycle frame idea but it's too tall, then I see rick's peddle and crank, ooooh I like! That would be be nice and low. I got to figure that I'll have sails above my head at times, so low profile would be good. I'm even thinking about changing up my center platform idea a bit. I keep molding the clay and it's starting to take shape.
     
  12. Submarine Tom

    Submarine Tom Previous Member

    The space is there but no link...

    -Tom
     
  13. I57
    Joined: Feb 2008
    Posts: 172
    Likes: 6, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 62
    Location: Melbourne, Australia

    I57 Senior Member

    Tom
    Try typing in the search area of YouTube CF_Blade_Propeller.wmv

    Ian
     
  14. Submarine Tom

    Submarine Tom Previous Member

    Sorry, I wasn't very clear.

    The first post didn't show the link but the second one did.

    I had already found it by Googling: rick carbon prop v15

    What I'd be more interested in would be any dialogue that may have gone along with it.

    -Tom
     

  15. upchurchmr
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 3,287
    Likes: 259, Points: 83, Legacy Rep: 579
    Location: Ft. Worth, Tx, USA

    upchurchmr Senior Member

    Rick doesn't seem to talk much. I would like to read his comments also.
     
Loading...
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.