Oz goose vs passage maker?

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  1. Jpav
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    Hi I am new to this forum and am looking for advice on my first boat build. The two designs that appeal to me the most are the oz goose and the passage maker dinghy. I have very little experience sailing so something that is fun and easy to learn on would be a plus. I want something that can comfortably carry about 700 pounds. It will primarily be a sail boat but something that rows nice would be good as well. I am thinking that I would rig it with ether a lug or a lateen sail, recommendations in that department would be helpful as well. Any advice would be appreciated, including other options for boat design or sail rig thanks.
     
  2. bajansailor
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    Welcome to the Forum Jpav.

    For general reference for other readers, here is a link to the Oz Goose -
    Oz Goose Sailboat - Cheap Simple Plywood Boat https://www.opengoose.com/

    Oz Goose.jpg

    And a link to the Passagemaker Dinghy from CLC.
    The Passagemaker Dinghy: Only 90 Pounds! https://www.clcboats.com/modules/catalog/boat.php?category_qn=wooden-sailboat-kits&subcat_qn=passagemaker&code=passagemaker-dinghy-sailboat-kit

    Passagemaker dinghy from CLC.jpg

    The Oz Goose would probably be easier to build, while the Passagemaker would probably be nicer to row (and to sail), and 'looks' more like a stereotype classic dinghy.
     
  3. messabout
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    The Oz goose is about as simple a build as you can imagine. The Passagemaker is far more sophisticated but is a more complicated build. Passagemaker might be the better choice if used in rougher weather. If budget considerations are important then the Oz Goose is the clear winner.
     
  4. upchurchmr
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    Will either one of these really take 700#?
     
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    That is a good point which I had overlooked - Jpav, why would you want to have such a large carrying capacity?
    700 lbs is about the weight of 4 large adults, and they would all be getting in each other's way terribly, even if the boat is being used as a simple tender, never mind as a sailing dinghy.
     
  6. Jpav
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    The 700 pound number is on the High estimate of what I might put in it, but with myself my wife and our daughter, plus what ever junk we might be bringing, I figure we would probably have about 500 pounds. I just figured if it could take 700 ish than I have capacity to spare, whitch is probably a good thing with a less experienced sailor. I was thinking it could be used to haul us and some camping gear to a few places that I like to camp. I also like to gold pan and sometimes I bring buckets of dirt back with me. I am not expecting to load it like that very often, I was just looking for a boat that might be able do it safely if I needed to.
     
  7. missinginaction
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    I can't speak to the Oz Goose but I do have some experience with Chesapeake. I built an Eastport Nesting Pram back in 2019. Thanks to the whole COVID thing it needs a paint job yet and the hardware installed. For a beginner (or even some experienced with boat building) building from plans will be a challenge. However, buying the kit is a whole different thing. As you probably know they use computer numerical controlled equipment to cut and route the parts. I was impressed with the precision this machine delivered. Everything fit. Perfectly. When I laid the panels that made up the hull on a table I remember thinking "That's pretty neat". If you go with the Passagemaker kit you will see what I mean. CLC is good with the support too. You can call them with questions. They answer the phone and don't treat you like an idiot. Good customer service. There are boat specific forums on their website as well.

    The Passagemaker is bigger than what I built but similar in design. Most of it can be done solo but you'll probably want an extra pair of hands when you stitch up the side panels as they are a bit awkward. Here's a tip for the side panels. I used some small ratcheting tie down straps (just 1" from Home Depot) to hold things together while I stitched.

    If you haven't worked with fiberglass before you really should learn how to apply cloth properly and learn how to form fillets and fill joints properly. Practice a bit so you'll be comfortable with the techniques before you're working on the real thing. If you need resources just ask.

    Good Luck and welcome to the forums,

    MIA
     
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  8. bajansailor
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    Jpav, MIA makes some very good points above - if you do want to build a boat, a kit would be the way to go.

    But it might be better to not rush in to it all so enthusiastically immediately - how about going on a sailing course first with your wife and daughter, to confirm that they will like going on sailing adventures?
    If they are enthusiastic about sailing, and are keen on going camping, then I think you ideally want a bigger boat for the purpose that you have described above - trying to do all of this in a Passagemaker (or especially so re an Oz Goose) could be a recipe for divorce.
     
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  9. messabout
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    Bajansailor has given the best advice. If you want to go camping or have other adventures, then a bigger boat is a far better choice. Building a bigger boat is no more difficult than building a small one. In fact there are some elements of the big one that are easier.

    You have explored the OZ Goose so now have a serious look at its bigger cousin, the Goat Island Skiff, from the same designer. The GIS sails very well and has space for the people that you have mentioned. It is also a simple build.
     
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