Our Oceans are Under Attack

The views were presented as a possible way to protect the health of life in the oceans, which is entirely in line with the topic of this thread.

Instead of you pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-Constitution-lovers trying to stifle the First Amendment rights of a fellow human being (you will extend those rights to a non-American, won't you?), why don't you just block his posts so that your delicate ears and rheumy eyes are not sullied by that which you don't want to hear and don't have a good response to?

 

Cute picture. Are you the one on the left? Chimps eat meat.

 

Since you think it's appropriate to post the same idea again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, nd again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, then you won't mind if others follow suit?

As to the 1st amendment, it prohibits congress from passing any laws infringing on the freedom of speech.
It doesn't establish or grant freedom of speech, which is a natural right more ancient and preceding the first government ever established in beginning of antiquity.
Nothing in the constitution grants any rights at all. Our rights are inherent and unalienable.
The 9th amendment affirms we have more rights not even mentioned in the constitution.
The constitution prohibits federal government from trampling our rights, not the authority for our rights.
As an American, you might want to read the US Constitution sometime and learn what it actually says. Congress should be required to read it aloud, in public, each member, every 6 months.. President too!
It is considered a Masterpiece of the Age of Enlightenment thinking.

So, of course the 1st amendment DOESN'T apply to foreigners, citizens, or anybody else not elected to the US congress, it being a specific restriction on congress alone.

I already ignore the veggie speeches and have since I finished the cannibalism satirical refutation.
I was adding my support to Brian's request to cease and desist the monotonous repetition of vegan ideology. So did Hoyt.

Being a vegan yourself, I suppose you like seeing the same anti-meat posts over and over ad nauseam.

 

The Oceans are like the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg. As long as it was alive it laid a golden egg each day but then the greedy farmer decided to kill it to get all the gold inside and found nothing and the Goose laid no more golden eggs because it was dead.

For centuries, the oceans have fed humankind. But in the last century, human greed has ***** and pillaged oceanic eco-systems remorsefully with an ecological ignorance that is staggeringly insane.

Some may think that a call to ban all commercial fishing is radical. I view it as a very conservative and essential policy that we must implement to save the oceans and ourselves.

We need to consider the needs of the fishes and we need to give them the space and the time to recover from the terrible slaughter we have inflicted upon all the species that live in the sea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedirwk95Oc

 

Don't worry. Nature fights back. With the help of liberal incompetents, ebola will travel the globe along with myriad other afflictions to cull humankind to the point the oceans will no longer be over-fished. Come to think of it, the fishermen may be the only ones to escape the coming plagues due to their isolation at sea.

 

LO, Myark!
Such melodrama!
Poor little fishies!
Poor little ***** oceans!
WOW! ***** ocean?
That makes flea and elephant jokes seem credible by scale comparison!
As I pointed out many posts back, those FEELING their way along, are susceptible to mass emotional hysteria like the doom movements. And as you see, they make emotional appeals in support of their positions. Dysfunctional.

I'm a thinker. In any successful endeavor, coolheaded planning is a priority. Emotions don't apply.
Analytical thinking requires hard data to analyze, and an accurate perception of the threats, risks, consequences, costs, total time requirements, time frame, deadlines, steps, sequencing and step co-ordination, energy requirements, current resources, current capabilities, missing necessary capabilities and resources, desired benefits of hypothetical goals, and reasonably accurate estimates of probabilities for (1) attaining determined goals and (2) actually achieving desired benefits from/upon reaching goals.

So, based on:
Lack of long term hard data.
Only speculations as to any real threats and deadlines.
A dismal perspective of the risks and consequences to world economies if precipitate, premature, and ignorant policies are adopted.
Currently we are lacking capabilities and technologies to ameliorate the imagined threats.
The problem when condensed/defined, IS diminishing resources, so finding missing resources highly improbable.
Because of unreliable threat assessments, it is impossible to establish any clear goals with reasonably guaranteed benefits, and makes determining time, material, energy, cost, co-ordination and sequencing only speculative, as well.
That is NOT planning.

Result of planning failure, probability of success in accomplishing ANYTHING regards deflecting the imagined pending calamity, NIL.
Probability of survival is totally dependent upon actuality and imminence of calamity.
IS THE IMAGINED THREAT REAL? HOW SOON?
If real and soon? Survival chances, NIL!
We need more information/data and new technology/capabilities, and discover utilization of untapped resources.

I think we are already doing these things. I know we are.
Researching, inventing technologies, exploring alternate resources.

So, is the doomers warnings valid? Is there actually END really nigh? And how nigh? How soon? Do we have sufficient time to solve the threat problem before calamity falls upon us?
Can we avoid panic, foolishness in miss-applying limited resources, and stupid self destruction; in terror of the imagined future calamity?
Those are the REAL questions upon which our survival depends.
Going off halfcocked will doom us surer and quicker!

Emotional outbursts like Myark's actually gives me hope it's ALL just hysteria!
And concern such hysteria and panic will lead us to a quicker more certain disaster.
We're back to wait and see, while we research and invent, and consider possible plans and prerequisites to plans.
LOL
But all the trillions wasted on apocalyptic doom, would be better spent on additional research and technology development.
Don't you think so? Sorry. Er, FEEL that's a better use of the money?

 

Global warming ‘will make our winters colder’ | The Independent (UK)

 

Earth Headed For its Hottest Year on Record After a Record-Warm September | Weather Underground

 

Malarky.

 

I'm here in tropical Mexico all year so far. leaving for Florida soon, I hope.
If this is a new hottest record, WhoopdeDoo! Seemed pleasant enough to me.
Why does the chart/graph look like glowing embers? Sneaky psychology!
Who do, who do you think your foolin?

Britain going to be colder? Hmmm. Aren't the Brits one of the biggest proponents of the Catastrophic Human Induced Global Warming movement?

Serves them right for complaining it was getting too warm.
Imagine, they'll probably quickly release more CO2, in the guise of heating their homes and shops, but actually, it's selfishly intended to deliberately induce MORE GLOBAL WARMING to offset the cold! And generate trends and funds for their pet charity at the same time.
Who can blame them? I'd rather be warm than cold. Wouldn't YOU?
I'm praying for record blizzards and subzero temperatures in Washington, DC, lasting ALL WINTER LONG! Beginning November until thaws in April!
I'd like to see the politicians debate global warming swaddled in overcoats, scarves, furry hats and mittens.
THAT would be a record to remember!
ROFLMAO

Going to blame the COLD as well as the WARM on CO2?
NO YOU ARE NOT!
Tails you win, heads we lose, isn't a permitted strategy. And certainly not scientific!
If you insist on stacking the deck, we just may have to equalize the odds again, by eventually resorting to the time honoured Americanism "God created man, Mr. Colt made them equal!"

 

It is no coincidence I live in Florida instead of Maine.

 

- not the part that is sinking, of course!

 

Capitalists get rich destroying our oceans

SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Yes, many capitalists are getting rich off the high seas, a vast reservoir of wealth holding 95% of the planet’s water, spanning 70% of the Earth’s surface. Often called the last frontier, a return to America’s 18th century Wild West. it’s virtually unregulated, a new free market where capitalists roam like pirates, plundering wealth and treating our oceans as a freebie gold mine and trash dump.

Bad news for seven billion people living on the planet. And by 2050 we’ll be adding three billion more people. We already know we can’t feed 10 billion. Now we’re polluting their water. Won’t be enough clean water for all to drink, triggering wars.

Yes, bad news getting worse: As Alan Sielen of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography warns in the Foreign Affairs journal: “Over the last several decades, human activities have so altered the basic chemistry of the seas that they are now experiencing evolution in reverse: a return to the barren primeval waters of hundreds of millions of years ago.”

 

Don't worry Mylark.
We won't any of us be here in 2050.
Planet killer asteroids arriving 2030s.




Just so you know: an asteroid could hit Earth on 21 September 2030 ...

www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/05/theobserver4 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

4 Nov 2000 ... Scientists have put a date to Armageddon. It will occur on 21 September 2030, when earth is in danger of being hit by an asteroid.




Astronomers discover a massive asteroid that could hit us in 2032 - io9

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17 Oct 2013 ... Mark August 26th, 2032 on your calendar, folks. Ukrainian astronomers have just detected a 1350-foot-wide (410 meter) minor planet that's ...

But most of the current 7 billion human inhabitants will be spared the asteroid strike.
More than 2/3s will already be dead from disease, war, famine, and cannibalism prior to 2032.


Russia plans space project to prevent asteroid collision - USA Today

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30 Dec 2009 ... ... 45 years after a meteorite struck the Earth near Tunguska, The 1908 ... the 850- foot asteroid "will surely collide with the Earth in the 2030s.".

And there are millions more coming.
Will ALL sail by with near misses?
Se la vie!

 

Evolution in reverse? Yes, planet Earth is regressing eons to an earlier primitive era. Unregulated free-market competition on the high seas is turning back the evolutionary clock. That doesn’t bother today’s short-term-thinking capitalists. But it should. Because, ironically, shifting evolution into reverse will also self-destruct the very global economy that capitalism needs for future growth.

Today’s capitalists see another three billion people as the new customers needed to expand free markets globally. But in the process they are also cutting their own throats, unaware they’re pushing a hidden self-destruct button lodged in their brains.
Capitalists see a new world like the Wild West. No lawmen, just free-market competitors, free to do whatever they want, whenever, unregulated, uncontrolled, no restraints, skimming, mining, plundering the wealth of the high seas, free to use, misuse and abuse vast oceans of water at no real cost.

Humans are eating too many fish

World population was less than 3 billion in 1950, 6 billion in 2000. Projected at 10 billion in 2050. Sielen warns: “Humans are simply killing and eating too many fish,” with fish supplies falling “dramatically.” Tuna, swordfish, halibut, flounder populations dropped 90% since 1950. “Human appetite has nearly wiped those populations out.”