Our Oceans are Under Attack

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  1. myark
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    Aquatic diseases and deformities
    As virtual "canaries in a gold mine," the deteriorating health of fish and wildlife speaks volumes about the need to clean up the Great Lakes. Heavy metals such as mercury and lead, and human-made organic chemicals such as pesticides, biomagnify as they move up the food chain, resulting in tumors and death for predatory animals, such as lake trout, herring gulls, and even humans
     
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    Inaccurate info, Samsam, hurts your credibility.

    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic...ater-temperatures-on-great-lakes-this-summer/
    Photo of Blue Ice, Beaver Is. Lake Erie 2014. (Blue because no air entrainment that makes white ice white. Blue ice VERY hard stuff!)

    Photo of ice coverage April 10th, 2014. Some ice remained till June.

    http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/Missi...evelForecast/WeeklyGreatLakesWaterLevels.aspx
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    To date in September, the Great Lakes basin as a whole has received above average precipitation.

    LAKE LEVEL CONDITIONS

    Lakes Superior and Michigan-Huron are 9 and 19 inches, respectively, above their levels of a year ago. Lakes St. Clair and Erie are 14 and 7 inches, respectively, above what they were at this time last year, while Lake Ontario is 1 inch above its level from a year ago. Lakes Superior and Michigan-Huron are predicted to fall 1 and 2 inches, respectively over the next month. Lakes St. Clair, Erie, and Ontario are projected to fall 6, 5, and 6 inches, respectively, over the next 30 days."



    http://www.motherjones.com/environm...g-deal-half-great-lakes-are-still-covered-ice
    " With almost 96 percent of Lake Superior's 32,000 miles encased in ice at the season's peak, tens of thousands of tourists flocked to the ice caves along the Wisconsin shoreline, suddenly accessible after four years of relatively warmer wintery conditions.

    The thing is, all of that ice takes a long time to melt. As of April 10, 48 percent of the five lakes' 90,000-plus square miles were still covered in ice, down from a high of 92.2 percent on March 6 (note that constituted the highest levels recorded since 1979, when ice covered 94.7 percent of the lakes). Last year, only 38.4 percent of the lakes froze over, while in 2012 just 12.9 percent did–part of a four-year stint of below-average iciness."
     

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    Must be your opinion since you didn't post an url.
    You notice I refrained from saying "walleyed" opinion.
    Walleyes deserve respect!
    http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/5216466

    http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/379956
    "that is what makes Lake Erie the envy of the walleye world."
     

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    imaginarynumber.
    Your overlooking a salient fact.
    Government is made up of people.
    The bosses are called politicians.
    The business of politicians is getting re-elected.
    Majority of Americans don't want carbon tax, or anything to do with AGW, and pretty upset Obama unilaterally put CO2 on EPAs pollution list.
    That will cost the dems the senate. Watch! :D
     
  5. ImaginaryNumber
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    My guess is that you're right in the short-term,
    but wrong in the long-term.
     
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    SamSam
    The USA doesn't OWN the Great Lakes or it's water, to divert where we choose. Even if the Great Lakes states and the Mississippi River system states (connected at Chicago) agreed to let California and SW tap the resource, which is doubtful, Canada would never concur.
    Canada shares proprietorship of the Great Lakes, you know. Only Lake Michigan is entirely US coast.
    Reality trumps fantasy, SamSam.
    We have the Gulf of Mexico as a southern coast and the Gulf of Canada (GL) as a northern coast.
    And the eastern half of the USA can be circumnavigated, a 5,400 mile trip, as if it were an island. Called the 'Great Circle", 'Grand Circle', or 'Great Loop' by inland cruising yachtsmen.
    http://www.landfallnavigation.com/bj041.html

    By comparison, circumnavigation of Great Britain is 3000 miles voyage. (doesn't include Ireland)
    Various distances quoted to circumnavigate Australia, but a fair figure seems 9806 nm or 11,284 statute miles. Roughly twice the "Great Loop'.
    http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?Nid=95178&refre=y&ntid=119&rid=4&subid=&NLID=461896 (no distance here)
    http://www.charterworld.com/news/sa...mes-cooks-ship-hmb-endeavour-sails-perth-2011 (nor here)
    Claims first ever circumnavigation of Australia. For the 'Endeavor' ??? Or by ANYBODY???
    http://ozlobo.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/more-touring-australian-circumnavigation/
    http://www.cruisingmates.co.uk/crosswords/caustralia.htm
    http://www.thetravelalmanac.com/australia/around/trivia.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations
     
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    Having recovered from several generations of sewage related industrial pollution, Lake Erie faces a new threat that is somewhat more insidious: a nasty toxic algae that coats about 20% of the lake surface with green slime. In addition to smelling bad, it is creating a growing dead zone at the lake bottom by sucking oxygen out of the water. A related effect, of course, is increasing the mortality rate for the fish population, who are more or less hanging on after the zebra mussel invasion, waiting for the Asian Carp. The heavy green stuff can actually clog boat motors and generate rotting masses of indistinguishable provenance to wash ashore and make beach goers disgusted.Runoff from the ever growing factory farms in Ohio combined with an unprecedented pattern of torrential spring rains are combining to create agricultural runoff in levels never seen before. The heavy rain falls wash phosphorus-based fertilizers from corn and soybean fields and into waterways, eventually changing the eco system of the lakes. It’s large scale mono-culture farming at its best, as GMO driven farming practiceshave reduced plowing in favor of herbicides and fertilizer. In some instances, farmer can indeed produce more….for a while. But with problems such as green slime, dead zones, superpests and superweeds starting to pierce the dull smugness of corporate media, the rapidly rising cost of food might become an issue.This year, it’s supposed to get worse.
     

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    My father-in-law was an expert on the ecology of the River Murray in Australia.
    He was asked many times to work on blue-green algae mitigation, but always
    refused, saying that the solution was simple and obvious, but it required
    "political will".
    I suspect that the same applies to the Great Lakes.
     
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    Okay Myark.
    Be prepared for a draft notice from the Ohio legislature and Ohio State Troopers to escort you to Ohio. Drafting you into service to take charge of all Lake Erie's problems and devise vegetarian solutions, is their last hope. Maybe the green slime can be converted to a meat substitute appreciated by vegetarians?
    When it tastes fine to you, they plan a marketing campaign.
    Convert America to socialism in the process. It worked so wonderfully in other countries, whose peoples enjoyed unheard of freedoms.
    Anyway, everybody is grateful you brought this un-noticed problem to public attention.



    http://oldenglishnyc.blogspot.mx/2007/07/from-shores-of-lake-erie.html

    http://www.toledoblade.com/Letters-.../Farmers-can-help-make-Lake-Erie-healthy.html

    http://www.toledoblade.com/Letters-...1/Restore-wetlands-to-solve-water-crises.html
     
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    Eutrophication is easier to solve than the zebra and quagga mussels and bloody red shrimp that continue to change the ecosystem long after changes to shipping. It may be impossible to eradicate those now.
     
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    Mistake was letting foreign salt water vessels enter the lakes.
    We were trying to assist the USSR with gifts of grain during a drought over there and they insisted they carry the grain on their own bottoms.
    If Jimmy Carter had cojones, he'd have told them "You get the grain OUR way, or you don't GET the grain!"
    Would have been a boon to US and Canadian shipping to ship the grain to salt water ports.
     
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    Erie's problems and devise vegetarian solutions, is their last hope.


    Exactly
     
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    My understanding is, they prefer, actually are anxious for you to pick your OWN title as the person in charge of Erie scum. :D

    Don't worry. Just write a few unintelligible reports and collect your salary. Americans have historically demonstrated, they are pretty capable at solving their problems.
    Just try not to interfere, and you can take the credit when it's solved. :)
    Free flow of ideas in a free society flourishes when not micro-managed or regulated.
     

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    Please not quit posting, we need to have the world record in forum lenght.
     
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