Our Oceans are Under Attack

Thank God you don't live near me. I certainly thank God I don't live near you.

 

We've got to save this for posterity.



Don't want to leave Yob out!

 

I'm particular and a bit grouchy sometimes, but my crotch is my own business!

 

In construction, whenever people started the "I've been doing this for X years", implying they knew what they were doing, the heavy odds were that they already had or were going to **** up royally. Not to say you are guilty, but that sort of claim never impresses me.

The point is, the ice they got caught in was drifting pack ice and was a weather related incident. There is no reason at all to believe it was related to climate.

You can post about single anomalies and snort and guffaw all you want, but anything you post can easily be shown to not be what you think or say it is.

Here's a Christian Science Monitor article about the 2014 GL ice cover, which was the most in 36 years. That is a short term anomalie, or weather, I'll bold mark some long term trends, or climate....

Distant atmospheric trends. Hmmm.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0...a-record-for-ice-with-more-winter-ahead-video

I don't know if NOAA is a boogeyman to you or not, but anyways, from NOAA...

From 100% to 4.4% in two years sounds like weather.

A 71% loss over 40 years sounds like climate change.

Anthropogenic. Oh Oh.


http://research.noaa.gov/InDepth/Fe...h-on-Great-Lakes-ice-cover-reveal-trends.aspx

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Anything you think supports your position is climate and anything that contradicts your position is merely weather.
And you can't understand why people, that is, thinking people, don't trust you and your agenda.
Hoodoo science
More warming causes more ice and rising seas due to melting ice?
Who do, who do you think your foolin?

 

Well, it seems that what you try and pass off as climate is usually just weather.

Nothing to say about the GL ice cover? Nothing to say about the weather related ice bound ship in Antarctica?

Do you think a 1 year ice cover record is climate related? Doesn't a 40 year trend of less and less resulting in 71% less seem more reasonable as being climate related?

Do you think wind blown pack ice is climate related? Every time the "Deadliest Catch" boats have to pull all their traps and run away is a climate change?

 

What makes you think anybody can predict future climate with a new can't walk only talk science, when meteorologists with centuries of study can't accurately predict next weeks weather?
And cancelling a picnic or calling a game rained out, doesn't compare to the draconian changes you want society to make, ON FAITH, that your bunch knows what it's doing!
NOPE!

 

Heads you win, tails I lose, is a cheat.
Science is REQUIRED to be fallible!
I don't trust what you preach. My scam-o-meter screeches and the indicator goes off scale.


How long they been tracking ice cover, only since 73? And 77 was record until 2014?
Never heard of droughts in the Midwest before? How about the dust bowl 20s and 30s?

40 years of regional conditions is climate or weather? Think fast!

And IF the summer Antarctic ice is mostly melted, as THEY say, did they go LOOKING for the smidgin remaining to get windrowed in it?

 

Heads you win, tails I lose?
Well, if it gets cold, fault of man made co2.
If it gets hot? Man's CO2.
Drought? Mans fault.
Storms? Mans fault.
WATCH THIS AGWers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsRD4HPtH0
Message sound familiar? Well, this documentary was filmed mid 80s,
Fossil fuel was going to be gone in 20 to 30 years, and devastating cold in 7 to 10 years, by 1995. Fault of CO2!
It's been 30 years. Where's the DOOM?
Stick your CO2 where the sun don't shine. I'm sick of the rambling screwy theories WHY CO2 is bad and dooming the planet.
Ya'll decided CO2 is bad decades ago, and been looking for ANY consequence to support your silly agenda ever since.

Science doesn't work that way.
Science observes events, then figures out what caused it.
You don't pick the cause celebre first, then whatever happens, claim that's the result you predicted and you were correct.

Hoodoo science.
Who do, who do you think you're foolin?

 

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/09/24/world-urged-to-act-at-un-climate-summit.html

World leaders at a UN summit billed as the largest-ever gathering on climate change have faced calls to take bold action to reverse global warming.'Today, we must set the world on a new course,' United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said at the opening of the summit at UN headquarters in New York.'I am asking you to lead.'The meeting is the first of its kind since the Copenhagen summit on climate change ended in disarray in 2009 and is seen as crucial to build momentum ahead of the Paris conference in late 2015.Diplomats and climate activists hope the summit attended by 120 leaders will pave the way for a deal to be reached in Paris on reducing greenhouse gas emissions after 2020.But no-shows from the leaders of China, the world's biggest polluter, and India, the number-three carbon emitter, cast a cloud over the event.France pledged up to $US1 billion ($A1.08 billion) to the UN Green Climate Fund, which helps finance climate change reform in poorer countries and the United States was expected to make pledges later in the day.French President Francois Hollande said the Paris conference should deliver a 'global and ambitious' deal and warned that climate change posed a 'threat to world peace and security'.In her address, Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff said tackling climate change and development were not contradictory goals, saying 'we have reduced poverty and we have protected the environment'.Leonardo DiCaprio brought star power to the UN summit, urging leaders to stop treating global warming as if it were a fiction.'...the time to answer humankind's greatest challenge is now. We beg of you to face it with courage and honesty,' the Wolf of Wall Street and Titanic star said.The summit was being held after marches drew hundreds of thousands of demonstrators to the streets of cities worldwide on Sunday in a show of 'people power' directed at leaders reluctant to tackle global warming.Key players from the private sector also stepped into the fray to trumpet their commitment to greening, with Apple CEO Tim Cook announcing on Monday that the tech giant would prioritise low-carbon growth.The United Nations is seeking to limit global warming to two degrees Celsius over pre-industrial levels, but scientists say current emission trends could hike temperatures to more than twice that level by century's end. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...t-un-climate-summit.html#sthash.EKi1G8eo.dpuf

 

USA EXPCTED to make pledges later in the day?
Who's expecting?
Well. Let's see who wants to commit political suicide.
Elections coming up?
Who controls the purse strings in this country?
You don't for one moment believe Congress is going to appropriate money for AGW, do you?
If you think the majority of American people are in favor of this crap, think again.
Any politician making a pledge, is pledging out of his own pocket! LOL
Anything ya'll do will be without the USA, China, and India.

https://marketbusinessnews.com/president-obama-nobody-gets-pass-comes-climate-change/33551
"•The US did not join 73 other countries that supported a price on carbon."

http://news.yahoo.com/world-leaders-urged-change-course-un-climate-summit-115011974.html
"Obama called for an "ambitious" but also "flexible" agreement -- a nod to political difficulties he would face if he needed the US Congress to ratify a treaty. "

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/02/climatechange-cash-idUKL6N0PD2LH20140702
"Many developed nations are likely to be reluctant to pledge cash before U.S. elections in November indicate whether climate change will be a priority for U.S. lawmakers in the last two years of Barack Obama's presidency."

Including USA!


Another SURPRISE SHOCKEROO!
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/de...climate-fund-france-pledges-contribute-303398
"The Green Climate Fund will be launched later this year, but India, China and, perhaps more surprisingly, the European Commission, will not contribute to its capitalization"

Spinning your wheels but going nowhere! Just making smoke!

 

Comparing Great Lakes ice to Antarctic ice is like comparing a bathtub toy tug to a real ocean-going one, so don't get precious. You don't really know about serious ice at all. I do though I am not a ships master or ice pilot.

And, actually - Antarctic summer ice *does* mostly melt. Otherwise we couldn't resupply our bases on the continent.

The key word in that is 'mostly'.

As for the ship getting stuck, a lot of us thought that was very funny. We also thought that, if they'd just waited for a wind/weather shift, the ice would have opened up again and they'd have got out. Which eventually happened but only after screwing our Antarctic shipping budget for the year.

Fortunately these days I'm retired and I can afford to find it all amusing.

PDW

 

I don't claim to be the only one knows something about ice.
but don't underrate great lakes.
I saw the arctic class coast guard ice breaker 'East Wind' with a running start, come pop out of the water and sit on top of the ice 5 miles from Cleveland breakwater. Her captain was complaining, " I broke thicker ice than this in the arctic!". No you didn't cap. This is -30 degree F subzero blue ice (-34C) and solid all the way to the bottom of the lake! LOL Fresh water ice that cold is hard as granite. They had to dynamite the ice to refloat him.
Another year, the ice broke our rudder off an 820 ft ship. Wasn't a flimsy rudder!
The Great Lakes name confuses people. They're the worlds only freshwater inland seas. Not little lakes at all!
The smallest lake in volume, 4th largest in surface area, is Lake Erie, goes from Buffalo New York to Detroit, Michigan.

LENGTH: 241 miles / 388 km

BREADTH: 57 miles / 92 km

AVERAGE DEPTH: 62 ft. / 19 m.

MAXIMUM DEPTH: 210 ft. / 64 m.

VOLUME: 116 cubic miles / 484 cubic km.

WATER SURFACE AREA: 9,910 sq. miles / 25,700 sq. km.

SHORELINE LENGTH (including islands): 871 miles / 1,402 km.

More interesting data
Great Lakes and Fresh Water

Just 3 percent of the world’s water exists as fresh water—2 percent is locked in the polar ice caps; less than 1 percent resides in freshwater lakes and streams.

The Great Lakes are the largest freshwater system on Earth.
The Great Lakes contain an estimated 5,500 cubic miles (22,700 cubic kilometers)of water—a fifth of all the liquid surface fresh water on Earth. And, it's enough to submerge the continental United States in nearly 10 feet of water.
http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/Home/AboutUsSection/PressRoom/Details.aspx?PostID=796

 

More interesting data
Great Lakes and Fresh Water

They're at their lowest level since record keeping began and the average ice cover has plummeted 71% in 40 years.

Wait until they put in pipelines and start sending it all to the southwest.

 

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