Our Oceans are Under Attack

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  1. hoytedow
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    NOAA unreliable in matters of climate politics because of administrative pressures to tow a line.
     
  2. Yobarnacle
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    Who do, who do you think your foolin?
    Decadal averages are usd by climatologist to show 'higher" temperatures than actually currently exist.

    Look up any climatologists quotes and you'll find admissions temperature HAS plateaued and they DON'T understand it.

    Those quotes have been posted countless times.

    So WHY? Why are you maintaining temperature is still rising or following CO2 or being driven by CO2?

    Mind if I answer for you?
    Because WITHOUT CO2 driving temperature, your political agenda is in the toilet!
    Just can't let that go, huh. Tsk! Tsk!
     
  3. NoEyeDeer
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    Oh come on. Why do you guys always just keep repeating the same things that have been debunked a thousand times or more? It really is quite ludicrous behaviour. If you actually wanted to know the current state of climate science you would be able to find out easily. It's clear that is exactly what you don't want.
     
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    Okay, let's look at the 'data" posted.

    State of the Climate | NOAA (last 12 months)


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    The globally averaged temperature over land and ocean surfaces for August 2014 was the highest for August since record keeping began [/B (a higher temp)]in 1880. It also marked the 38th consecutive August with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average global temperature for August occurred in 1976.

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for July 2014 was the fourth highest on record "]lower temp)for July, at 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average of 15.8°C (60.4°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June 2014 was the highest on record (higher)for the month, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.5°C (59.9°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for May 2014 was record highest (high)for this month, at 0.74°C (1.33°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for April 2014 tied with 2010 (not higher)as the highest on record for the month, at 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average of 13.7°C (56.7°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces was the fourth highest for March (lower)on record, at 0.71°C (1.28°F) above the 20th century average of 12.3°C (54.1°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2014 tied with 2001 as the 21st highest (lower)for February on record, at 0.41°C (0.74°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for January was the warmest since 2007 and the fourth warmest on record (not higher)at 12.7°C (54.8°F), or 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F). The margin of error associated with this temperature is ± 0.08°C (± 0.14°F).

    The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for December 2013 was the third highest (lower)for December since records began in 1880, at 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average of 12.2°C (54.0°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for November 2013 was record highest (higher) for the 134-year period of record, at 0.78°C (1.40°F) above the 20th century average of 12.9°C (55.2°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for October 2013 was the seventh (lowerr)highest for October on record, at 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F).

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2013 tied with 2003 as the fourth highest (lower)for September on record, at 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).


    If temperature is a record, it's a new high, if it ties or in 4th place or 21st place, temperature isn't rising, is plateaued of falling, so gets a blue tag..

    So what did all these current temperatures say?
    4 months hotter, the other 8 cooler or tied.

    And these new records? ONE degree F hotter than 20th century record? Nope! One degree F hotter than 20th century AVERAGE!
    Be SCARED, BE VERY SCARED! :D
     
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    You do realise that all of these are above the 20th century average, and by about the same amount as would be predicted by climate modelling?
     
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    You do realize my argument is no appreciable warming during past 15 years. :D

    No I ain't agreeing to that climate model accuracy bit.

    Do I have to post IPCC predictions based on the climate models during recent 20 years? To PROVE how far wrong they are?

    And is current CO2 level just a smidgin above 20th century average? Or climbing through the roof?
    Disconnected huh?
     
  7. ImaginaryNumber
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    Yob,
    Globally, the last 12 months are the hottest since "modern" record-keeping began in 1880.

    The last 12 months are likely the hottest in the last 6,000 years.

    And they may even be the hottest it's been in 125,000 years.

    Exactly what part of H-O-T do you find confusing?
     
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    Ten indicators of a warming world
     

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    Who says?
    And more importantly, HOW much hotter?
    The data YOU posted and I analyzed a bit, ...6 of the last 12 months were cooler than other years, 2 months tied with other years, and 4 months set new records, but can't be by much and data didn't say. so how does THAT become hottest on record?

    Come on, if the new record high is 1.17 degree F or 1.3 degree F higher than 20th century AVERAGE for that month? Did it beat the former champ high temperature by 1/100th of a degree? or what?

    And what is the range of statistical error in these statistics? +/- one degree? :p
    Give these statistics a "T" test. http://docs.statwing.com/examples-and-definitions/t-test/statistical-significance/
    Phbbbsssttt! (raspberry) Hoodoo science!
    'Who do, who do you think you're foolin.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3BJl5Zy7HQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZpKjCz9R9c
     
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    Yeah. That's exactly what prompted me to say that you did not want to know the answers, and that's why you insisted on repeating things which had been debunked a thousand times or more.

    The answer to your "argument" is freely available and has been for some time now. If you want to know, go and find it. I'm not going to run around doing everything for you, because you have made it clear that your opposition to climate science is based on your rigid and unchangeable ideology rather than on an assessment of the evidence. That's your prerogative, but I'm not obliged to pander to it.

    I'll give you a hint though: there is more to global warming than surface temperature. See how you go with that.
     
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    Yeah I agree with you. There is more to global warming than YOU care to admit.
    DESPERATION!
    Your agenda is in the toilet and you are snatching at straws to SAVE it.
    Not savable! Never was WORTH saving.
    The majority of Americans aren't buying your hype.
    Whatever you do, will be without the USA.
    We aren't the fools you take us for.
    We SEE through you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3BJl5Zy7HQ
     
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    I suggest you use more CAPSLOCK. It's always the sign of a well-reasoned argument. :)
     
  13. Yobarnacle
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    Caps=punch-uation! :p
     
  14. NoEyeDeer
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    They do have a right to their opinion, even if their opinion is idiotic. I'd simply ignore them, or perhaps tell them they were being an idiot. I wouldn't bother getting upset about it. Sometimes, contempt really is the best revenge.


    No, it isn't. Slander perhaps, if there was any realistic chance of the accusation being believed, but not assault.


    Battery-powered toys can be all sorts of fun, but most people wouldn't happily supply the battery if it was a case of assault.
     

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    In your worldview, is there a difference between ********* and child molester, Myark?
     
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