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It shows the fanaticism of some vegetarians.

 

Now you are been silly

 

I was being serious. Can you answer that? Why is it ok for a wild animal to eat another animal and wrong for a human to eat the same animal?

 

Ok, look at it this way. Why is it ok for a lion to have sex with another lion, but not ok for humans to have sex with lions? See if you can figure that one out.

 

Give it a try and let us know how you got on.

 

I'm sure it'd be possible if the lion was either sedated or suitably restrained.

 

Observing nature, sex is for reproduction and it's always between animals of the same species. Dogs don't have sex with cats. Cats don't have sex with mice or birds.

Eating is for sustenance and the whole food chain works by one species eating the species below it on the food chain. Dogs do eat cats. Cats do eat mice and birds.

 

A certain zoo had acquired a very rare species of gorilla. Within a few weeks, the female gorilla became very ornery, and difficult to handle. Upon examination, the zoo veterinarian determined the problem. The gorilla was in heat. To make matters worse, there were no male gorilla species available.

While reflecting on their problem, the zoo administrators noticed Mike, an employee responsible for cleaning the animals' cages. Mike, it was rumored, possessed ample ability to satisfy any female, but he wasn't very bright. So, the zoo administrators thought they might have a solution.

Mike was approached with a proposition: would he be willing to screw the gorilla for five hundred bucks? Mike showed some interest, but said he would have to think the matter over carefully.

The following day, Mike announced that he would accept their offer, but only under three conditions. "First," he said, "I don't want to have to kiss her. Secondly, I want nothing to do with any offspring that may result from this union."

The zoo administration quickly agreed to these conditions, so they asked what was his third condition.

"Well," said Mike, "you've gotta give me another week to come up with the five hundred bucks."

 

Ok, but penguins and ducks do engage in ***********. This is documented behaviour. So, obviously, if we're going to follow nature humans should do it too, right?

Ever head of the naturalistic fallacy?

The point here is that humans tend to be held to standards that do not always allow justification via "nature".

 

I'm gonna give Mike the benefit of the doubt. He must have thought he was being propositioned by the administrator. Don't tell me you've never tried that line in a bar "would you be willing to screw the gorilla" Sorry, I couldn't help it.

 

Oh and while I think of it, you should read up on the concept of ring species. The short version is that sex is not always between the same species.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3O-dxplPs

 

OK, I do get your point.
Part of being human is holding ones self to a higher standard.
However, I don't equate animals with humans and I don't draw a black and white line between plants and animals and say it's ok to consume and exploit one and not the other. It is a blurry line for me somewhere up the animal food chain. I won't eat a dolphin or a monkey. I have some reserve about eating a pig once scientists revealed they're smart. I don't have any problem with exploiting chickens by eating eggs and honestly it doesn't bother me at all to eat a chicken. Maybe I'm not as morally advanced as you. I don't believe in unnecessary cruelty and I will pay more and go elsewhere if I find out meat at a big box store involved more cruelty to the animals to produce it. I do respect vegetarians for their choices which I think is more efficient for the planet, although it's in the same way I respect environmentalists for protecting quality natural areas. To make it even more complicated, a friend of mine is a veterinarian and a meat eater. Some animals die to nourish him, while he also saves many animals from dying from injuries and infections. To my point of view even though he does eat meat for dinner, he helps more animals by far than he eats, and he helps more animals than many vegetarians who eat no meat but also help no animals.

 

Oh you are. I'm an omnivore myself. I was just pointing out that your earlier post wasn't really making a good argument.

 

Apparently you missed the recent memo from NOAA. Global Warming is alive and well.

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